Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-216.67.118.209-20160331011253/@comment-33760559-20191010111249

You still really dont need ther tierlist, nor does it help since in the end it's still gonna be someone else's opinion on what uber they think is better than another, and it doesnt really help since its only if its the only one youve had in game so, like ive said earlier, having multiple ubers would make it more and more inaccurate.

never encountered these people? look around then, you constantly have people saying "I think this is this tier" or using the logic that one thing is better because its higher tier. dont pretend like youve never seen it. theres quite a lot on a lot of uber pages.

but it isnt, and ive already given you them quit ignoring them, ive literally stated what the flaws were and yet here you are acting like i havent. Time and time again ive stated, "it doesnt account for where you're at" "it only considers if youve had one uber" "it doesnt account for what other cats you do and dont have" all pretty major things that should be included to actually make it accurate but instead we get a half-assed job because its not "pratical". no one said it had to be dont over night. So dont go around throwing the tierlist around like it's the holy bible unless its actually been made accurate first.

Not really, the difference is you searched a very wide server with many many people, and only found 4. that is nothing to be impressed by. it seems youve taken it way too literally, I never said no one EVER says that. i was saying how it almost never happens, which is does almost never happen. seeing as it seems you havent seen it either until you looked for it. Looks like youve missed the point entirely.

You do realize that means gao is only better in those few cases, but in everything else gaia is? besides even if she lands only one hit in her animation thats still more DPS than from gao. land 2, MUCH more, land 3? clearly better. and "if she dies" would put you more at fault. its pretty easy to protect her, and you keep saying "if its easy to protect her then the stage wasnt actually hard" but that was never the point. you dont use generalist in hard stages only, you use them as their name suggest, in general. And youve missed yet another big point, this isnt about what should be higher on the tierlist that youve slipped in here, the tierlist and their tiers are completely irrelevant to what im saying, later on gaia is much better. like ive said, 9.8k DPS isnt good for any trait any way you slice it, who cares if he has that range? im not using gao over pai pai/thundia/drednot. for red, or cat man for aliens floating angels or relic, or any anti zombie damage based uber. this isnt about his overall stats, you only mainly need one stat to be really good, and the rest of the stats to make it applicable for a uber to be useful, generalist in general arent that good later on because their DPS means why would  you bring them when you have something clearly better? most people have something better late game. Gaia's DPS makes it so you dont clearly have something better.

sure octo cant but in most cases he can, prof a gets nuked, sloth gets chipped, and in cases other than these? gaia is better. sure you can name a few cases where gao is better to use, but that just means gaia is better in every other case. and once again, youve missed the point, its not about whether the unit with higher DPS against a trait is better than gao, its that gao's only function is to fill the hole of you not having many good ubers, as youve said. well most late game players do have many nukers, so once you do, gao isnt that good. But gaia still is considering her DPS isnt something most people can simply replace. and if a stage has multiple traits she definitely cant be replaced where as gao you can just bring two. because in gaia's case, she helps because she is a nuker against those 2 traits so she saves a slot, where gao at that point does succy nuking damage. his generalist damage is good, but against 2 traits its not, because 30k damage to each trait is worth a slot than to just have 9.8k against two.

what odd definition? thats literally what ive described, anti-all. the ones i said that arent generalist are those who have a niche for something and just so happen to have like 5k-6k DPS so people decide theyre "good generalist" when in reality thats just average. and no it doesnt, most people have multiple units that out-DPS Gao in every trait than those who actually gao, making the statement "you're more likely to get gao" invalid. Whether you're actually more likely, or not. besides even if you do get gao you're still likely to have cats that out-DPS him for every trait. take into account that there are some ubers who out DPS him in multiple traits. and that there are 5 that out-DPS him in every trait. and yes i do have a nuker better for every trait, and like i said, "late game". and gao displaying his usefulness already would only account for if i got gao at the start, which you're MUCH more likely to get him at about the end of SoL-end of UL because at that point its even easier to get rare tickets or catfood. my entire point was that gao isnt that good late game.

ah so apparently you know me completely, yep, you know everything i do, when i do it, how i do it. oh wait you're not God? looks like you dont so dont pretend to.

regardless, you cant use both forms at the same time, and if you wanna use that argument since it seems youve only been arguing baby gao and mighty lord gao vs kasa jizo up to this point, you might wanna include Kasa jizo's other forms. a very tanky unit with 485 range, and good DPS, better than gao in at least 3 traits, similar in 1. not to mention it does high damage per hit, which in most cases is better than faster attacks but less damage. so even if you agree  MLG is better than Jizo's mega castle. the wide spread diversity it adds to kasa jizo is yet another reason for this to be a much closer argument than you think, I dont like to argue this debate because ive already done it several times, its already happened several times and in the end its just everyone repeating the exact same information until everyone decides to stop because its been going on so long.

cat limit? thats never a problem and even when kasa jizo does fill the cat limit thats not a bad thing, because then you have a cat limit full of kasa jizo who can annihilate basically anything in seconds.if you're ever in a stage where you need to spam kasa jizo, then by the time you even reach a cat limit on kasa jizo youve basically won.

not quite, and the tier doesnt matter, who cares if its the "only uber youve had the entire game" when the uber loses a lot of value later on when you, ya know, have multiple ubers. remember, the farther you are in game, the less valuable gao becomes, he may seem 2nd best for someone who just started the game, and has only him. but for anyone late game he isnt even close, because then you realize its not about the single best unit, its about what units can help you. only time gao would really help late game would be if he was your only anti-shockwave uber. or the best one you had but then again with the existance of octopus cat it really isnt that important