Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-216.67.118.209-20160331011253/@comment-30255782-20191007015526

Oh hecc I somehow swapped aer and mitama, he has survivability as well tho, unlike asi. No idea what these numbers represent btw, I'm guessing each paragraph and that you just skipped 2 and 9. Ah also, for the sake of definitions, I'm gonna call the general use high Stat ranged dps units, 'generalists,' and the units that have an ability against everything (like asi/Bala, closer to your generalist definition) 'anti-all.'

OH my, the wiki for stats. For starters, the pros and cons in each wiki section are not exactly accurate and they're the first things most people will see. Also, wiki often gives the wrong stats for units, and it doesn't even list actual dps. You're overestimating the average person here, if they really want an in-depth, I'd recommend going to discord/reddit to find some accurate info.

I have no clue who baron is, so I'll just have to guess that what you're saying is correct. Lol if he just needs to know that baseline info he doesn't need the wiki, clicking on the uber set in the game would give him that much. Ah yes, the classic Tierlist method, 'I think this is better.'

Having one uber makes a minor difference overall to which ubers you want the most, unless it's a very top tier one. Now we've got to a problem where you say that it isnt helpful because it can't account for every individual player's exact ubers. It should be intuitive, like I said before, that if you have a certain type of unit, you don't need the same niche as much, that shouldn't need to be explained for most people. Now then, what would we do instead of a Tierlist for new players, are we gonna give them details on every uber in the game so they know what will become unhelpful once they get something and can make complex adjustments to get the most useful ubers? Of course not. It's much more practical to have a general outline of what's good and what's bad, with some widely applicable methodology for ranking them.

If she's underrated cuz she's a lot better than she's given credit for, it does sound like it's a ranking problem unless we're talking about what people discuss the most instead of talking about the Tierlist, which is pointless tbh, they can discuss whatever, and it'll usually be the more controversial stuff. Fascinating, she's one of four units in this special niche you definined, is this niche an important one that you'll actually need in the game, or is it just a list of how many anti-all cc units there are? I agree that chronos is good, but she's discussed a pretty fair amount (at least on disc where there are actually discussions), especially whenever new players get her. Any evidence for her being under-discussed? How does it correlate to how good she is/the Tierlist in any way?

Any evidence that a large part of whatever facet of the bc community treats the Tierlist as fact? Idk how you'd even know this, since the only time I've ever seen you on discord was when flabber and you 'debated' on Jizo vs mitama.

How are you still saying Gao is only above average? That's like saying goku can punch through a rock. Why don't you need any more generalists if you have one? Even if you have the best generalist (Gao by my definition, mitama probably by yours), you can still bring multiple to a stage and have them work in tandem, that's quite the excellent idea. You'd have to be quite lategame to get a good niche for everything and it'd be up to rng if you do at all. Even then, Gao is still good for multi trait stages and is still one of the best 2 midrangers in the game. if Jizo is as good as he is by being one of those midrangers as well, with just the added bonus of an alright tf, Gao is vastly above average.

FYI, I agree that Gao is less op later on, but he's still excellent later, and is op early.

Well then, please tell me how the Tierlist is currently treated, and if you're gonna go to your statement of it being treated as fact by a lot of the community, please say which community, and who specifically, examples please. Experienced players are mostly arguing about Tierlist placing, not using it to learn, but ofc it depends on the individual and how good they are at the game. Yea Gaia is a anti-everything nuker, but just because she has higher dps doesn't give her a special niche with inherent value, we look over her stats as a whole and see how she stacks up against units like Gao overall. I've already done that above so I won't repeat it here. Indeed, I wouldn't care about the survivability if I could perfectly protect Gaia, but on any stage that's actually a challenge, I can't. So, gaia's job is just dps, she doesn't have to be good at anything else? Seems like quite a niche unit to me, I'd rather have my universally usable Gao for sure.

Here are some questions I'd like to add: Are miyabi and Subaru C- cuz they aren't talked about? Or is it just that they aren't talked about but are placed accurately? Do you get that every unit (besides anti-all's, but they're typically amazing since their niche is almost all the game) has a specific niche that they're better for, even the typical generalist ubers like vars/saber/keiji/etc, and that they just have such excellent stats we call them generalists because they can be used wherever but still have anti niche like all the other units?