Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-216.67.118.209-20160331011253/@comment-33760559-20181211052254

LemonCakeDude wrote: Okay, so since you apparently have no concept of an average generalist, lemme lay it out for you... Zeus has 5.4k dps to every type, beating gao by 200 against white and losing by over 3k against everything else, gao has twice the kbs, gao has 50k more hp to everything but angel and white, they are equal against white and zeus has way more hp to angel, zeus does have 10 more range and 1200 less cost, but also has a 1s longer attack animation and 15s longer cooldown...

Vars has around 4k dps less to everything except white, which he has 400 more against, vars has 40k less hp against traited and 10k more to white, gao has 1 more kb, vars has 10 less range, vars is 400 cheaper, and has 50% kb/slow to black...

I didn't even add the fact that gao has wave immune and a 5% crit chance... Gao is still better than lil valk, sure she has 2k more dps to traited and 6k to white, costs 1800 less, and she has 1/3 of the cooldown, but gao has over 3x the hp to traited, almost double the hp to white, twice as many kbs, 125 more range, and doesn't suicide due to high speed and lack of backswing, on top of all that, he has a 1st form that's an amazing midranger... I love cherrypicking sooo much ;)....

lil valk is supposed to be more of a generalist uber than a suicide unit, she has much more range than yuki/maglev/a baha/citc, and doesn't instantly attack again after a kb like a baha/yuki... She is actually closer to a short ranged generalist like keiji, except she has that amazing dps instead of his tankiness...

The average dps for an uber is between 4-5k, so 9k is indeed amazing, you argued that jizo is better than gao because after being stacked he has more dps, wouldn't paris be much better then? she has 1.3k dps and a recharge of 2.53s, and jizo has 2.1k dps with a 4.2s recharge.. With these stats, after 32s, the paris stack would be dealing more damage than the jizo stack from 30 more range, of course this would be extremely expensive, but it's quite doable..

I did this just to show that yea, fast cooldown midrangers are gonna have more dps than any uber when stacked, but that doesn't make backline ubers bad, we use them all the time, and they do a lot for us... It's almost like battle cats has a limit to how many units we can have on the field, being able to outrange many more things is important, and those 20s of having more dps actually makes a difference...

Did you argue that Jizo's tf is around as good as mightly lord gao?? Because if you think that 9k dps is bad, mega castle only has 6k, and less than 2k dps if his 3rd attack misses (which isn't uncommon due to the multihit), he does have 24k dps to angel and black (6k if he misses the third attack), more hp against whites, and 15 more range, but gao has 2 more kbs, double the speed, and a much shorter attack animation, as well as more dps, wave immune, and crit chance.. zeus and vars arent average generalist, those are bad generalist. an average generalist is usually around like 10K DPS at level 30. in later levels you need above average. also heres another thing, paris dies, easily. its a lot harder to get back a stack of paris cats than it is kasa jizo.

also we arent arguing jizo's TF against mighty lord gao. Jizo's TF isnt a generalist. hes more a slow but hard hitter thats tanky. We dont need to argue jizo's TF. this entire thing was mostly jizo's first form vs gao. yeah gao is better than his 3rd form except for against angels and blacks.