Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-36303736-20180909201356/@comment-30255782-20191119040845

Well then, that's 18 stages than mizli actively kills you in, and 30 where both her and aer work. Can I have some examples of 'Frontline spam' in let's say, Cotc3? I found all the stages without backlines to be quite easy tbh, so I guess we're in opposition here.

Oldhorns and cyberhorns without any support wouldn't be hard, it's the kbing of all your cc that makes the whole stage an actual challenge here. It's not the hardest ul stage, but it's harder than most. You've never met people who've found the stage hard? You may need to join some more discord servers then..

Ofc a lucky/long living baseball can break the barrier of lesolar, but aer does that, hits some frontlines, and then starts to kill lesolar and anything else in there at a pretty impressive pace. Against baas, if they push into aer he won't do anything to them until his kb, okay, he will however hit almost all of the baas (think of zyclone revenge), and you'll have something for the others like the cannon. So, baseball can fill a similar role as him at breaking backline barriers, but he doesn't have the dps or ld width to do everything else that makes aer so good. Fencer is on the other end of things, only doing a lot for stuff like baas and Gregory's, aer can deal with them pretty consistently, and do other stuff too.

But does golfer kill the ribbos too? No. If you wanna take up that strat for ribbo, you're better off just bringing rush units and hoping the front line isn't very strong.

So mizli doesn't work for gardeneel but aer isn't great either? Sure, just narrows the amount of stages we consider even further from 48 than the restrictions already do, that's good for aer sing it increases the percent loss from mizli with all those backlines.