Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-36303736-20180909201356/@comment-30255782-20191030002407

Oh that, I already responded to it all, read this lol

LemonCakeDude wrote: Yeah zoge, this is the jth method. Very little reading and understanding of the other person is done, but I might as well try, and maybe one day he'll read and understand..

2mil hp against brollow spam isn't gonna accomplish a whole lot, especially since he outranges everything you'd want him protecting. I could go through all these stages, but just the fact that you said sunsets howl... He's trash for waves, literally everything you want him to tank for is gonna die, it's not gonna end well.

Wow, lege being bad against a fast attacker that outranges him, what a surprise.. He's good when he outranges or against enemies he can actually rush and chip, not frontlines that outrange him lol.

Argument for ushi without evidence has been dismissed without evidence.

You aren't done with sol and you don't think you'll have a problem with 3-4* soap scum, merciless xp, or HoD. Wow, you must be really good at the game lol.

Heaven is great for black pushers, the best example of this I can think of is gestalt, he obliterates it probably more than shingen does. Tackey does kill him after a while, but with his high hp he can deal with it for a while. He's also amazing to shred razors if you bring bomber. For aliens, they do outrange him more, but for the ones that don't (itf bosses, nimoy, etc) he's amazing.

I don't agree zombies are the biggest threat tbh. It depends on your definition, but I'd say it's probably whites/relics, maybe star aliens. After those, zombs or angels probably. The 1kb and speed help for zombs but hurt him in general.

Darkt is amazing for the crazeds, I'll go through them and compare him with sgay lol.

Ccat, both outrange, darkt has more dps and has ld to deal with master a/bears better. 1 point darkt

Cwall, darkt is outranged, sgay isn't. 1 point sgay.

Axe, the unit itself outranges darkt, but the reds don't, and he's arguably more helpful for them with ld and dps. I'll give it to sgay because I can. 1 point sgay

Gross/cow, putting them in the same section because he's better for the same reason, more dps. 2 points darkt.

Dragon/bird, also in the same section because of same reason. Both of them outrange sgay and darkt, darkt with his speed is WAYYY better than sgay. Another 2 points darkt.

Cwhale, both have wave immune, both outrange. I'd say they're about equal here, depends if you want more dps, more range/freeze, or to ld snipe the base. Tie

Ctitan, darkt barely outranges, cannon will mess him up here. I like the ld and dps advantage, but sgay will survive longer and still have excellent dps. I might as well give it to sgay too.

Final score, 5 darkt, 3 sgay. Well then, darkt is quite a lot better for crazeds.

Oh also, darkt is better for hermit because of range and mega dps + less tba. For yulala darkt needs skill to be used, otherwise will suicide and do Nothing, so sgay is the easier carry.

Darkt has a long animation? Then what does sgay have lol? His is even longer and he's gonna get ld'ed even more by mole.

Units have different sized hitboxes, maybe you so know about them in bc. Please explain your findings that show different cats with different hitbox widths.

Behemoth has resist not strong lol, it's really hard to argue when the opponent doesn't even know what the stats are. I already explained how kb is very good for zombies (unlike aliens) and how holy blast can't solve everything, counter-arguement please. Kek, using weaken on daboo, gl. He has ld is indeed not a good reason to flat out say a unit is bad. However, ld is generally bad for zombies, I'll need some actual reasoning if you disagree.

Imagine being the guy who hasn't looked at the unit's he's talking about telling the guy who's looked up literally every one of them on mygama/spica to look at the facts. If I was 6, then you'd be an adult unable to make a coherent argument to beat a small child. That'd be pretty pathetic, let's hope for your sake I'm not a child then.

My hobby is to argue? Eh I suppose so, I talk about bc quite a lot because I enjoy it. If someone says something I disagree with, an argument is certainly a good way to persuade them or get persuaded. It's all for the furthering of my knowledge. Persuading other people is quite difficult when they don't know the numbers and they don't read what you say tho...

Oh my, even after literally giving you almost my entire opinion on unit cost, you still can't quite seem to get it. Babel is a tank, so getting him out quickly into the battle is decently important, and he's almost the most expensive unit in the game. Cost isn't a big factor, but it does matter.

Babel isn't exactly a great wave tank like I said before, bad for berserkory/pigeons. Bore/shy boi/bun buns aren't really units that you want a tank for in the first place, Ms work better. You could use Babel for them, but he wouldn't do well. Tanks are typically used on rush stages, floating/red are already lacking in these stages, but there are even less of them that Babel is any good for.