Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-216.67.118.209-20160331011253/@comment-30255782-20191009154738

Now I'm actually replying to the big comment.

Again, wiki doesn't give accurate stats, but Spica and mygama do. What spica/mygama provides is different from the Tierlist. If knowing the stats of a unit is enough for you to tell how good it is as well as the Tierlist tells you, then you're probably already a skilled lategame player. I can just look at the Spica stats for a unit that comes out and tell you what tier it's probably gonna get. However, most players haven't seen most of the stages in the game, and don't even know what the average stats for ubers are/how good different abilities are. Generalists are quite literally units that are helpful in most of the game, they don't necessarily carry like some niche units do, but they work pretty well, like a better ururun/or 2nd form baha.

'You clearly don't need both,' why? That's only important if you know how good those stats are, most players just don't. The thing is that you keep saying that a lot of people take the Tierlist as fact, but I've never encountered these people, I don't believe you, please provide evidence or specific people who believe this.

Good thing the Tierlist is very accurate then, and I will continue to say it is until you give me specific listing problems it has and why they are problems.

The point is that you said you've never personally seen someone say they want chronos. This shows to me how little you've interacted with the community since I could find 4 cases in a matter of seconds. LOL, I'm the one who has an inaccurate base and view of what the bc community is, kek. I've interacted with all the parts of the community besides stuff like the toxic server. Discord is the only platform that there are text discussions about anything and everything, and you can search through them. If amino chats also had a search tool, I could give you evidence from then. If you somehow still think no one wants chronos, make a reddit post or an amino poll asking who wants chronos. Btw, I'd quite like chronos tbh. Ofc, the discord has thousands of bc users, but that wasn't the point of my claim. It's just that at least some people have said it, and it wasn't hard to find. I was showing that you don't actually interact with the community enough to make such a statement as Chronos being underdiscussed.

Again, discord is the only one where you can search through chats unless something is changed, so it's the only one I looked for info on.

Triple the dps is a big advantage ofc, that's why she's S lol. There isn't that big of a difference between her and Gao, just 1 tier. Any enemy with 400 or 450 range as well as waves, that's where I'd rather use Gao, easy. Some other points: Gaia has multihit and all 3 need to land for her to have 30k dps, this lowers her practical dps by quite a bit. Like I said before, an enemy only has to move 50 space forwards to get in gaias blinds pot, then she's pretty hecced. So sure, 30k dps is good, but if she dies way earlier than it equals out pretty quick.

I said this a while ago, if something like Gaia is protectable without an issue, then the stage isn't much of a challenge. Again, 9.8k dps from 470 isn't sucky, it's nearly double average, and it's +450 against every type.

Unfortunately, octo can't perfectly defend for near every wave stage in the game, and that'd be necessary for Gaia to live. For the ld thing, I'm talking about frontline range, ex; prof a/sloth. Although, if the enemy has a strong backline, they won't need to push far to deal with Gaia. If something has higher dps than him against a trait, then they only replace him against a single trait, and it'd depend on the unit how much they actually replace him. He fills in all the gaps in your niches and performs very well in them (and is about the best in some, midranger).

Ah, so you're using your odd definition of generalist now. Like I said a while ago, I'm using the definition of generalist that I've seen widely used, and am calling what you're calling them 'anti-all.' Agreed, that pattern isn't hard to find, but it isn't what's considered a generalist. I really don't wanna have an argument over definitions seeing how utterly pointless that'd be. It depends on how much you roll ofc, but getting a specific unit to outdps Gao in every trait has an even lower chance. Take the number of units that will work as a better nuker for whatever niche, for each niche, and do the rng calc for them. Gao isn't easy to get, but a nuker for every trait is even rarer. You're very endgame, and do you have a nuker for every trait in the game that would outclass Gao for that trait? Idk, it's possible since you listed quite a lot there. But for someone to reach near that level, they'd have to be late ul at the very least (or have insane rng), and by then Gao would've already displayed his usefulness throughout the entire game working as good as multiple others. And even by that in endgame, baby gao.

The discord wiki? What lol? I quite literally listed off every part of the community, no idea how you came to the idea that I only used discord just cuz I used it as a source. I use every part of the community, I currently am or have been active on all of them. What are you even using as a source of what the community is like? You don't use amino unless you just ghost, I haven't seen your reddit comments but it's possible you're on there, you're on some discord servers but aren't exactly super active, you're on here tho, so that's nice.

First off, what does it matter if baby gao is 'non-existent in the community by comparison?' What the community talks about doesn't change how good something is, this is why I wouldn't care even if nobody had every talked about chronos. Now then, a baby gao stack will always have more dps than a Jizo stack (besides black/angel/white ofc), and they have quite a lot more survivability. Why does recharge matter so much unless you wanna talk about TBA as a stack? Baby gaos actual downsides are curse, sometimes TBA, and the 3 types that Jizo wins for (Gao is still great for these tho). However, I don't have to prove that baby gao is better than Jizo, I just have to show that they're close and that gao has amazing value as a midranger. Jizo is SS due to being an amazing midranger, and even you agree that baby gao is at the very least arguably close to him.

That's all I need to show how amazing Gao is, even when his 2nd form doesn't work for something or has some niches filled. Gao is still an amazing midranger who doesn't take as much cat limit as Jizo does and costs less for the same dps.

So, a first form who's one of the best 2 midrangers in the game, where the other best midranger is in SS, and an excellent generalist who's better than any A+ generalist at the very least (you may have some issues if I say S and it's irrelevant). Jeez, both of these in one unit, maybe they deserve to be the 2nd best uber.