Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-216.67.118.209-20160331011253/@comment-30255782-20181213070851

Oh yea, that sgao and dart thing was JadeRabbit not you, I wonder if he'd care to to back up his claims...

I stated how jizo could be used in f30 right after I said that he isn't useful in the way you were describing (being used like mlion/Fishman)..

I already said this, but you ignored it/didn't see it, A BABY GAO STACK WILL GAIN DPS Faster THAN A JIZO Stack (and start with more dps), Gao is a better midranger than jizo for reds, floating, alien, relics, and zombies, while jizo only has the advantage in blacks, angels, and whites, baby gao has much better survivablity and better cost-dps, whereas jizo has 10 more range..

Yea, I suppose blacks show up quite a bit, especially since xp stages exist, angels aren't particularly common, and ramen+juliet+a decent dps can deal with almost any angels in the game (winged pigge needs more ms and damage, clionel is different ofc, and cala has that multihit super high damage stuff).. Reds are a big part of earlygame, and there are others throughout the game (hackey/prof a/capy being the big lategame ones), but there are a lot of good anti red units (witch, icat, bath, duelist. Roe and maximum are alright), so ig you could argue that massive to red is less useful than massive to black (this really isn't related to gao vs. Jizo so idk why you'd bother)...

5% isn't reliable enough for him to be anti metal? Space has a 4% chance pre-tf, 8% after tf, catasaur has 4% pre-tf 7% after, Ballet has an 8% crit chance... All of these are 2-3% higher than gao, so not much, and they do attack faster, but gao has wayyy more base damage, he's probably better than lufalan to metals, gao crits less often, but hits multiple enemies at once and has amazing survivablity...

Li'l valk has zkill, so she can zkill zombies, that doesn't necessarily make her better than gao for them, she has awful survivablity, and that's a very important Stat against zombies since they burrow and will either hit her, or burrow past her and stop your ms so the frontline enemies can move forward and hit her..

Li'l valk is better for relics? Her immune to curse does nothing.. She doesn't outrange any relic bosses except BunBun and m.ost (ties with super town mayor)... With her bad survivablity, she won't be good for lowkeysuper town mayor/Loris (she could be alright for Loris if she could get inside the LD), though she's pretty good for m.ost and one horn... Gao is pretty good for a lot of UL stages, though Loris and lowkey still outrange him, he's good for all the different colors that support the relics, and has enough survivablity to deal with lowkey/loris hitting him, though his not having curse immune is definitely a downside, he's still solid for relics...

So li'l valk is better for blacks and angels Cuz she attacks faster? She doesn't even have 1s less TBA.. (this is the part where you flipped your viewpoint for Armageddon, the faster attacks vs. Bigger attacks thing) Gao definitely outclasses her for a lot more than just metals, and comparing them to Bahamut forms is quite a bit off, think of this as Amaterasu vs Tropical Kalisa, but higher tier units...

Nobody thinks gao is good just because he's a fest Uber, that's a strawman (woo a fallacy), we think he's good because he is, and I've been explaining to you why...

Yea the boost thing was so you know that these stats are accurate, and I gave you the reason why I use level 30 stats instead of 50... Ofc level 50 Ubers are way better, but I like the game to be challenging...

I'm going over jizo's other forms because 2nd form gao isn't very similar to 1st form jizo (one bring the 2nd best midranger, the other being the best generalist..), we could just have an argument about who's the best midranger in the game, but I'm still arguing about who's the 2nd best Uber...

Now onto Armageddon, yea their survivablities are pretty close, I think that 75k hp is a little better than 4 kbs, but they are close..

No, Gao isn't a bad choice for zombies, and your claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence..

Why are higher damage but less often attacks better than less damaging, more often attacks? That's the opposite of the position you had when arguing li'l valk vs. Gao.. Pick one, and back it up with reasons..

So, Armageddon is better than gao for zombies, well, he does have zkill and more kbs, which are great, although the shorter range and longer attack animation of Armageddon are definite disadvantages, I'm gonna say Armageddon is still better for zombies..

For relics, Gao does have lowered dps, and their survivablity is around equal, the 20 range is quite important since relics push so hard, and gao's wayyy shorter attack animation is important... So, gao is actually a bit better for relics...

Gao destroys Armageddon against wave enemies, whites, and metals, that much should be obvious...

For aliens, angels, reds, floatings, and blacks, Gao has 500 less dps, 20 more range, a 3.2s shorter attack animation, 30s shorter cooldown, and an advantage in survivablity (all these types are on average pretty heavy hitters, Armageddon is the closest in survivablity against blacks and floatings ig..)... So, gao has a more prominent victory against these types than against relics... Armageddon won against zombie while gao won every other type, with relic being almost even, and white, metal, and waves being a blowout for gao... (yea waves aren't a type, but they are a niche that gao is great for while Armageddon isn't..)

I'm getting bored of you bringing up Ubers as candidates for being a better generalist than gao, could we refocus on gao vs. Jizo, or switch topics and argue about who's the best midranger?