Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-216.67.118.209-20160331011253/@comment-33760559-20181213034116

LemonCakeDude wrote: So I just calculated it, and baby gao has 3990 dps to everything but white, at 7.53s cooldown, vs jizos 2083 dps to everything but angel and black, and 4.20s cooldown... At these stats, Gao stacking is actually better than jizo stacking, the Gao stack gains an average of 530 dps every second, while the jizo stack gains only 496, although jizo does of course win against white, black and angel... Jizo has 10 more range, and a 0.5s shorter attack animation, but gao has 9.5k more hp to everything but white, 2 more kbs, and a 55¥ cheaper cost per second (if both are bring deployed as much as possible)... So I'd say there is a very solid argument to be made for gao being the superior midranger...

I consider mitama a support unit, though she definitely helps in general, so sure that's a freebie (#1 Uber is still #1)... Alright, so you believe that gao is a worse generalist than li'l valk and Armageddon, well, let's see.. '''Li'l valk has 2k more dps to traited, and 6k more to white, plus she has a little over 1/3rd of gaos cooldown, but gao has 2 more kbs, 30k more hp to white, 80k more hp to traited, 125 more range, and has backswing so he doesn't kill himself whenever the enemies get kbed.. She has zkill and status immune, whereas he just has the 5% crit, which actually isn't bad, '''since it boosts his dps against traited to an average of 9.9k (would be 9.3k without the crit), and kills most metal enemies in 1 shot with his high damage attacks, but I'll still give her a slight advantage in the special abilities section, since zkill is great, and immunity to debuffs has decent niche use... I don't want my generalist Uber suiciding all the time, and I really like that 125 extra range, so I still prefer gao.. Armageddon has 500 more dps than gao against traited (this is including the crit's dps buff), but ofc can't touch whites, and Armageddon does have 4 more kbs, but gao has 75k more hp to traited, 25k more hp to white, 20 more range, 3.2s shorter attack animation (this is a huge advantage), and a 30s shorter cooldown... In special abilities, Armageddon has zkill and not damaging whites, while gao has crit and wave immune, so gao this time has much better special abilities... Again, the challenger has more dps (except against white ofc), but that attack animation will make him miss a lot more. Plus, that 20 extra range is nice, and gao has slightly better survivablity, so he's still on top...

Your next point is just explaining why midrangers are useful.. That's nice..  No lol jizo isn't any good on f30 in the way you're describing to use him, he could be used with octo for a peon wave, but in that situation, gao/slapstick would do at least as good as jizo (the midranger will only get 1-2 hits in, and can't stack before dying).. Also, you're starting to sound like a telemarketer, trying to give me a solution to a problem that I didn't know existed...

By the way, all these stats are level 30, since I don't boost my Ubers, that's what Spica has set as the automatic, and those levels are more easily attainable...

'''Well, since jizo and gao are pretty close as midrangers, and gao's 2nd form is the best generalist (except mitama ofc), whereas jizo's 2nd form isn't near the best generalist Uber... Can we agree that gao is better overall? '''Or do you have an argument for why gao isn't the best generalist/baby gao isn't even close to 1st form jizo?

Final note, you said that D'Artanyan and shadow gao are better than regular gao, if you were serious, please back up your claims, if you don't actually believe that, just don't respond and I'll assume that you agree with me on this... I NEVER said shadow gao and D'artanyan were better. not once, someone else did. Lets get that out of the way now,

yes kasa jizo has been used in floor 30 strats, just because you do a quick youtube search and dont find some doesnt make him not viable, its about being creative.

another thing is stacking wise- jizo is better. its not only about what can survive better either. being able to quickly get a stack of  kasa jizos make a huge difference, that recharge difference adds up. you can get 10 kasa jizo's in about 40 seconds, while 10 gao's would be around 70, also gao does have higher stats yes but how reliable is he compared to kasa jizo? unlike a lot of enemy traits black and angel show up a lot, and when they do they are a big threat most of the times. thats why having something like massive damage against black and angels is a lot better then something like massive damage vs red or floating.

its not about the amount of things something has better, its about what those things are.li'l valkyrie can come back a lot faster, so what if gao has a me're 5% crit chance? thats not reliable enough to even consider him being a proper anti-metal.

lil valkyrie outclass gao against 3 things. zombies(zombie killer)Traitless, and relics(immune to curse, not that she has anything that can be cursed anyways(thats also another thing armageddon has over gao) black and angels too because of her rapid attacks, she also deals with clusters better

gao only actually outclasses against metal, and thats only 5% of the time. or times when she gets outranged. but other than that li'l valkyrie is a better choice. not to mention when you are able to get her to survive, she can stack which is actually really op. example usually against just about any shockwave enemy, or a tanky and low ranged enemy like old horn. the arguement of li'l valkyrie vs gao is like awakened bahamut vs crazed bahamut but closer in terms of usefulness.

im not saying gao is bad, hes good, but he is waayy too overrated. people think just because hes a limited in a pool where  you can get any non limited uber that hes the best cat.

you may not boost your ubers, but i do, and a big difference in their usefulness really shows once you do.

i dont get why you keep going after jizo's other forms, jizo's first form is the one known to be a generalist, and if you're only argument is jizo's first form only is a generalist and both gao's forms are so hes a better generalist then we shall part ways.

now along with armageddon vs gao. the knockbacks to health really matters on the damage an enemy does, enemies with low damage but quick attack are more deadly towards gao, but ones with slower attack but high damage are more deadly do armageddon, it pretty much balaces out.

yes armageddon cant touch traitless, but gao is a bad choice for zombies. so that leaves the score at 1-1 for their negatives

now against other traits. armageddon has more DPS, and does huge damage per hit which in most cases is better than weaker hits but faster. also gao only attacks 2 seconds faster

not all traits should just be considered "another trait" ones like zombie enemies are known for burrowing past and getting through your lineup. ones like black enemies or angels are known for pushing foward really fast, floating is known for being tanky. ect... as i explained earlier. they are pretty even in terms. 

now for what each outclasses the other at.

armageddon outclasses gao against zombies, and relics(gao only does 1.5x instead of 1.8x) and a tiny bit against the other traits

gao outclasses against traitless, and a tiny bit against metals.

these two is pretty one is better in some situations and one is better in others