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  • Yes it's confusing but tru

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  • papaluga and nanaho on better uber tierlist when

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote: I forgot to reply to your listing of non-ubers that target white. Do you honestly think that white isn't a harder niche to counter than floating and angel? If so, then I'll get into listing off all of the very consistent units that counter those 2 traits. If you agree that white is harder to counter, then I imagine you'll understand the pointlessness of listing off units to gotcha me.

      I didnt said white isnt harder than angels/floating. What niche gladios have? Literally only r. ost, rain d. and dolphina. There's also many angels non-ubers like sanzo cannot counter. Sleipnir, Chickful, Pigge, dober, Youcan (Ahem Dio's barrier breaker). I can name some angel stages where dio is better than non ubers

      Lord of the abyss, Haunted Genome, Any youcan stage, heavens oasis, kosamin ruins, lady in the clink, atrocious deco, overachiever central, bare fangs at the throne, sauna handstands, Daboo, clionel, growing yellow, etc.

      Angels aside, arent the only stages for dio: Queen B, Croakley stages, pecking order, any m.ost stage without backline and many starred alien stages thanks to his bb.

      As for sodom, he can be used against floatings that outrange sanzo/necro/tatha/jojo. Spacefish, owls, im phace, etc. Theres many floating stages he can be used.

      Big Bang ch1, Queen B, Flappy Cat, Forest Beasts, Itf Ch 2 and 3 moons, renewed conflict, overachiever central, last labyrinth, despotism at home, subterra stalker, aldebaran ch 3, Wahwah

      What traitless stages gladios can be used? Theres literally just birdwatching, calibans keeper and ul rost stages.

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    • My 1st comment was accidentally deleted so I'll keep it short.

      You underestimate the ability of ramen and catophone in the first bit, but ofc it's true that dio can deal with many angels pretty decently. Some stages like most and queen b that you listed were a stretch, but dio could be used there.

      Sodom has it worse off since he's just inferior, but yeah he's not useless either ofc. Saying that Sodom can be used on wahwah is a pretty massive stretch tbh, sure he's immune to kb but he's got literally nothing else going for him. Seeing how you had such low standards for stages to list off for those 2 DEs, you wouldn't hold Gladios to a way higher standard would you?

      Oh wait, you do just that... He can be used very successfully on mmohawk and meraser, and to some extent on other manics. He can tank through waves on kory/dober or the range of camelle/master a/sloth. He can deal with most white enemies quite decently, with the exceptions being cc that outranges him like henry/mole, and some high dps stuff like uril.

      Do I really need to list off stages where Gladios is viable, or can you recognize that you had double standards when comparing the units? Cuz this: "Literally only r. ost, rain d. and dolphina" is so wrong it's funny.

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  • Hi Lemon

    Mizli is bad on Swim Meet?

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote: Ye, that's the price of mizli, having to use backliners so they don't die.

      Still garbage, just more usable niche.

      Well Mizli is pretty much made to synergy with Backliners.

      Well at least other units from update aren't that bad tho

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  • If not what do you recommend 

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    • Is the green elemental gd for breaking barriers?

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    • You mean Aer? Yes he is good for barriers.

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  • "I'll try to show you what I mean jth.

    Let's assume that your point is completely correct, so there are significant groups of players that either use more or less ms than is typical, cause they can handle that amount.

    Now then let's make 1 assumption, and that's that a stage will have a best amount of ms to bring. Since every additional ms offers diminishing returns and you only have 10 slots available, this seems like a reasonable claim to make. It gets more complicated when I consider that different people have access to different ms as well as different strategies to clear a level with (cheese/rush/etc). I could write out a big paragraph on that but it's beside the point.

    Now then, our entire original argument was about 'why is the Tierlist less helpful for lategame than earlygame.' Since you claim that this ms variation is relevant, it should tie in to this argument. Now remember our assumption, that there is a best amount of ms to use for any strat. So, it would need to be shown that lategame people tend to use too many or too few ms more than earlygame people do, in order to explain why these tierlists centered around generalists and the most effective strats stop applying to them as well."

    Cool

    Yes, I understand that a stage may have different amounts of ms required ofc, yes, the fact thatthere are multiple ways to clear a stage means that ms amounts will vary from person to person

    Again, if someones msing is worse or better than anothers, then they might require more ms to fill the gaps, I dunno what your saying about there needing to be more ms variation late game, the combonation of your reasons and mine means that the tierlist is wrse lategame

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    • Your first paragraph sounds like you disagree with me. There are multiple strategies that can be used to clear a stage, but each one has a best amount of ms. Regardless of how many ms a person actually uses, there's an amount that works best.

      How does it mean that?

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    • No, I'm agreeing with you

      So if your eatshielding is below average, then you may need more things to tap to fill the gaps of your shittieness, pretty straightforward

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  • Muykakin or Asuka?

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  • alternate version of my other super rare tier list.
    Super Rare Waifu Tier List
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  • HEY JIANSHI IS AN EXALENT MEAT SHIELD

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    • The way you said your greatly hints towards lemoncake being a profile lol

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    • Hecc jth don't expose me like that

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  • What is your opinion on New Dark Kasli, Girlsmons legend rare and smoke cat?

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    • Dark kasli is absurdly good, SS. I'm not sure where she'll fit in around Jizo and regular kasli tho. The girlsmon lr is very unique, could possibly be better than ushi. A-ish. Smoke doesn't look great tbh, could be useful for boraphim and winged pigge, we'll see.

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    • Yeah Darkasli seems very good. GMon seems like outclass Aer in most ways. Smoky seems eh... but maybe good against pig and boraphim

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  • u misspelled Juvens on ur Tierlist, you put 'Juuvens', btw like my new pic?

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