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  • I have been playing battle cats and I figured that in the wikia Kasa Jizo(Unevolved) is the best!

    Reasons:

    1. Kasa Jizo (Unevolved) has 2/3 Pros while The Evolved form has 1/3 Pros

    2. Unevolved Form has 0/2 Cons while Evolved Form has 2/2 Cons

    P.S

    By typing all this do you think he is the best?

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    • I won't deny in terms of raw stats, Jizo and most of the ultra soulds somehow have higher ratio in terms of DPS and health calculation vs cost especially their unevolved stats. The US gacha team is best all around, however the team also can not fill a specific task when needed since most of their abilities are not that extreme.

      tldr: Jack of all trades. But remember there are 9 other slots in the formation.

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    • Jizo's an Uber, and the best of the lot;


      if you have and don't use him, you must be smoking pot!

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    • Ethanlac wrote:
      Jizo's an Uber, and the best of the lot;


      if you have and don't use him, you must be smoking pot!

      I don't

      Edit: I mean, I used Jizo sometimes. But it is just like about 1:10 stages. Perhaps since I have all cats, I used just more effective unit intended for the stage.

      As I said before, Jizo is good all around, but if you want to achieve those 9k++ scores on those timed stage or clear most stages under 10 minutes, you can not just depends on it.

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    • Ethanlac wrote:
      Jizo's an Uber, and the best of the lot;


      if you have and don't use him, you must be smoking pot!

      Jizo is extremely good of course but there are still levels in which he is useless in.

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    • Say hello too something that is not useless

      Ultimate Kasa Jizo
      Health Attack Power Attack Range Time between attacks Movement Speed Knockback Attack Animation
      999,999,999,999,999,999,999 HP 999,999,999,999,999,999 Atk 25 (Area Attack) 1 10 Miles per Hour (Nothing too do with the game) 5 times 30f
      Special Ability Attribute
      Can Stop all Cats within the range(100%) Cat
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    • Unfortunately I made it an Enemy ūüėÖūüėÖūüėÖ

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    • what is this cringe

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    • It's called an Off-Topic Cringe.

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    • it's the cringiest cringe

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    • this was a proof that Jizo can't be beaten in a way

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    • just put bun bun idk

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    • A Kasa Jizo is worst then Crazed Bahamut Cat,Unknown,Balaluga Passalan or whatever it is pronounced,Well what I'm saying is Kasa Jizo is in the top strongest and NOT the strongest.

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    • It mostly depends on how you use the cat.

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    • I'd still say Jizo is overall the best. I agree he is useless in a situations, but most of the time he is excellent. Crazed/Awakened Bahamut is also extremely good but not quite as good as jizo. Also Unknown and Balaluga are really meh.

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    • Gao coming in a few days. He'll probably outclass Jizo.

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    • We all together just found out, nope

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    • Gao normal form is more tankier than Jizo thanks to its "strong" ability which reduces all except colorless enemies damage (about 30 to 40% much more tankier). In terms of damage is also stronger except vs Black and Angel. It has 60 more range;380 cub Gao vs 320 Jizo. All for 100 extra cost (150 in SoL)

      In Gao evolved form. I noted already this unit evolved form is a high-end unit type in the initial stub version of the page. For its top 5 most expensive uber spawn cost, it offers one of the best uber in any condition you could have. Remember you can only have around 50 units in the field. In early to mid-game stages, most fight stages are ended fast that you won't reach unit spawn cap so often. But once you hit those 3-stars SoL stages above sub-chapter 10 or 12, you will find out it is just effective to bring one since matches are prolonged so long that you could see the yellow "spawn limit reached" text existed for half of the battle in your screen especially with cat CPU enabled. Also Gao has 470 range which is something desirable for stacking.

      Tldr: Gao currently is best unit > Jizo. It is relevant though with how rare is this unit drop rate. PONOS even already stated that the unit drop rate is only 0.25% (0.75% in the game actually)

      But if we are talking in pro level, actually no cat is being the best. It all depends on conditions (and damn evolved Gao simply able to tackle metal enemies while Jizo not)

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    • What makes Kasa Jizo good is his low cost and x3 damage against Black and Angels. Because Blacks are very offensive, they have to be taken down quickly, that's why stacking Kasa Jizo is powerful. But against any other type, he's pretty weak because of his low range (compared to Paris, Drama) + moderate atk + kinda low heath and 3 knockbacks.

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    • I'm sorry, but Archer Cat is the best cat

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    • bes cate is acher car

      secon bes is dank empire catom

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    • I don't have Jizo, but I do think he's one of the best, next to Gao. However, because of Gao's drop rate which makes him nigh impossible to get, Jizo is far more practical. So, Gao outclasses Jizo in stats, but Jizo outclasses Gao in availability. I say they are tied for the spot of best Uber.

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    • It depends on the categories. There are three major types of Ubers.

      1: The kind that is good all-around (Gao, Sodom, Raiden)

      2: The kind that is only useful in a few situations, but is really good in those situations (Oda, Shingen, Momo)

      3: The kind that is not good at all (Cat Machine, Togeluga)


      Jizo's stats make him similar to a better Paris Cat, which is widely useful. His abilities don't add too much to the table. So his use doesn't have much limits, and he is good in those situations.

      That makes him one of the best Ubers. However, you said "Cat." Throughout all of my experience, there is one cat that is easily better than Jizo.

      Eraser Cat. He's a freakin meatshield. Try doing levels without him.

      Jizo: Great Uber, but not the best cat out there by any means.

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    • HOW BOUT MANIC ERASER BUDDY???

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    • Yeah, you have a point.

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    • I thought that was implied.

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    • Unevolved jizo form is useful for taking out doge darks or maybe gory blacks. While evolved form deals a hell damage to blacks and angels but very slow and not good attack rate

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    • Nekoluga's look better

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    • Really good Cat. You can destroy levels like Refined Palate, Violet Flash, and Black Premonition with him. Kamukura's also a good Uber, especially for Red. Gao, though exceptionally rare, is also quite good all-around. He suffers from meh attack power, but hey, he had to lose at something. Anyway, if you combine Jizo and Oda Nobunaga, you will never lose to a Black enemy.

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    • For me,Oda and Jizo are the best anti-black ubers.Jizo can deal massive amounts of damage to black enemies,and by doing so,also protects Oda from black units that might beat him while he'said casting his attack animation.The only con is that Jizo has less range than le'noir in his normal form,making it kinda useless against him...

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    • I've changed my stance a little on this since January. I think Jizo is still very good, but no, he is not the best. I don't really think any Cat is objectively the best, but if I had to choose? Manic Eraser. Anyway, I said earlier Gao was pretty good, I actually think he is not that good now. He [Gao] is a good Uber... but by no means great.

      I do think that Jizo is the best against Blacks, though, but I'd say Oda comes in as a worthy second. His casting time is painfully bad though

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    • Well, there's no "best cat" because they all fit different purposes and you can't rely solely on one cat, you need a whole functional team. Kasa Jizo is great because it is a cheaper alternative of Paris Cat, and there is plenty of strong Black and Angel peons throughout the game. But he has a shorter attack range, and he decreases in use with the appearance of Alien and Zombie enemies.

      Mighty Lord Gao is a well-rounded DPS unit. Against non-White, he has a great health and attack power, he attacks often, has a better range than Bahamut. I used it in all my team, along with his counterpart, Shadow Gao, which is a White-killer.

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    • I don't think Gao is bad, but I would rather have a more niche Uber than an all-around one. That's just my preference, though.

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    • I don't use Kasa Jizo. Why?

      I don't have him.

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    • Angerydoggo wrote: I don't use Kasa Jizo. Why?

      I don't have him.

      Same :( 21 Ubers but it still feels incomplete without Jizo...

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    • Jizo + Momotaro = Angelic enemies demise

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    • The Battle Cats - Sweet XP (Insane) with Kasa Jizo and Crazed Wall Cat Only

      The Battle Cats - Sweet XP (Insane) with Kasa Jizo and Crazed Wall Cat Only

      Visual proof that Kasa Jizo is one of the best anti-blacks

      Jizo is actually a good anti-black.Just don't rely on him against Razorback unless you freeze him.
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    • CHILL OUT

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    • Popsicle30 wrote:

      Angerydoggo wrote: I don't use Kasa Jizo. Why?

      I don't have him.

      Same :( 21 Ubers but it still feels incomplete without Jizo...

      LOL BACK WHEN I DIDNT HAVE JIZO

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    • T r I g G e R e D

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    • Dreamy Cat wrote:
      Jizo + Momotaro = Angelic enemies demise

      How lucky is it that I have a level 40 Jizo and got Momotaro a couple hours ago and had enough xp to get him to level 30? All I need now is 3 more yellow and epic catfruit to get true form

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    • I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close.

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    • Red anvil wrote: I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close.

      Are you high

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    • Red anvil wrote:
      I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close

      you need help

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    • Red anvil wrote:
      I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close.


      You just gotta be joking. Jizo is basically a paris cat on steroids, but those cats listed are only good for their enemy type. Sarukani is basically a worse jizo but for zonbies and kaguya is only good for her ability.


      I'll agree that Jizo isnt the best cat in the game (that depends on the situation), but he's definitely up there. Saying he's not even close is just blasphemy

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    • Refined Palate (XP Megablitz) Ft

      Refined Palate (XP Megablitz) Ft. Kasa Jizo, Vars and Bombercat

      Hi

      He is really good

      black enemies = rip

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    • Ya know, reading this forum makes me sad inside, because of the¬†

      Incident

      I had...

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    • woah hey i got him from epicfest cool and good¬†

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    • Uwuwo wrote:
      Red anvil wrote:
      I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close.

      You just gotta be joking. Jizo is basically a paris cat on steroids, but those cats listed are only good for their enemy type. Sarukani is basically a worse jizo but for zonbies and kaguya is only good for her ability.


      I'll agree that Jizo isnt the best cat in the game (that depends on the situation), but he's definitely up there. Saying he's not even close is just blasphemy

      i was not joking. it is obviously subjective, in my setup i have tons of anti-blacks (6 ubers) and anti angels (6 ubers) as well as some anti-everyone (except metal and without zombie killer usually), but without kaguya, my only anti metal or critter uber, i would suck at dealing with metals (kind of), and Sarukani helped me a lot in the past with the zombies and was my salvation for Daboo and Zyclone, also i know that he will make zombie levels considerably easy in the future, the problem with jizo, while i am not blind and know how OP he is, is that he makes blacks and angels much easier, but many other can be the n. 2 at that and do the job anyway, my opinion is that an uber to be top tier needs to be at least "unique" in its way, like the anti white Shadow Gao and Gothic Mitama, or the long ranged Aphrodite, or, maybe, the super strong Baby Gao and Shishalan (not sure about these 2), but not jizo, he may not be far down at all, but the gap whith the bests is massive. I don't really think that kaguya and sarukani have better stats if it is what you understood, i simply like them more because thay are actually almost essential for me, just like i would like  Date Masamume more than many othrs if i were to get him as my first anti red non-rare cat apart from cat machine and crazed whale. 

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    • Red anvil wrote:
      Uwuwo wrote:
      Red anvil wrote:
      I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close.

      You just gotta be joking. Jizo is basically a paris cat on steroids, but those cats listed are only good for their enemy type. Sarukani is basically a worse jizo but for zonbies and kaguya is only good for her ability.


      I'll agree that Jizo isnt the best cat in the game (that depends on the situation), but he's definitely up there. Saying he's not even close is just blasphemy

      i was not joking. it is obviously subjective, in my setup i have tons of anti-blacks (6 ubers) and anti angels (6 ubers) as well as some anti-everyone (except metal and without zombie killer usually), but without kaguya, my only anti metal or critter uber, i would suck at dealing with metals (kind of), and Sarukani helped me a lot in the past with the zombies and was my salvation for Daboo and Zyclone, also i know that he will make zombie levels considerably easy in the future, the problem with jizo, while i am not blind and know how OP he is, is that he makes blacks and angels much easier, but many other can be the n. 2 at that and do the job anyway, my opinion is that an uber to be top tier needs to be at least "unique" in its way, like the anti white Shadow Gao and Gothic Mitama, or the long ranged Aphrodite, or, maybe, the super strong Baby Gao and Shishalan (not sure about these 2), but not jizo, he may not be far down at all, but the gap whith the bests is massive. I don't really think that kaguya and sarukani have better stats if it is what you understood, i simply like them more because thay are actually almost essential for me, just like i would like  Date Masamume more than many othrs if i were to get him as my first anti red non-rare cat apart from cat machine and crazed whale. 

      I respect your opinion, but still..........

      My only good anti angel attacker :(

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    • Kasa Jizo is a crutch, and a crutch is exactly what I needed.

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    • No cat in the game can be considered the best cat,as some cats are always better than others depending on the situation (Jizo actually helps less than Bombercat against Razorback),there can or can't be cats better than him.What i have to say is that he's one of the best anti-black/angel units in the game (Even though Momotaro is better against angels than him),however,units like Gao,Mitama and Aphro are better in some cases.

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    • Red anvil wrote:
      Uwuwo wrote:
      Red anvil wrote:
      I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close.

      You just gotta be joking. Jizo is basically a paris cat on steroids, but those cats listed are only good for their enemy type. Sarukani is basically a worse jizo but for zonbies and kaguya is only good for her ability.


      I'll agree that Jizo isnt the best cat in the game (that depends on the situation), but he's definitely up there. Saying he's not even close is just blasphemy

      i was not joking. it is obviously subjective, in my setup i have tons of anti-blacks (6 ubers) and anti angels (6 ubers) as well as some anti-everyone (except metal and without zombie killer usually), but without kaguya, my only anti metal or critter uber, i would suck at dealing with metals (kind of), and Sarukani helped me a lot in the past with the zombies and was my salvation for Daboo and Zyclone, also i know that he will make zombie levels considerably easy in the future, the problem with jizo, while i am not blind and know how OP he is, is that he makes blacks and angels much easier, but many other can be the n. 2 at that and do the job anyway, my opinion is that an uber to be top tier needs to be at least "unique" in its way, like the anti white Shadow Gao and Gothic Mitama, or the long ranged Aphrodite, or, maybe, the super strong Baby Gao and Shishalan (not sure about these 2), but not jizo, he may not be far down at all, but the gap whith the bests is massive. I don't really think that kaguya and sarukani have better stats if it is what you understood, i simply like them more because thay are actually almost essential for me, just like i would like  Date Masamume more than many othrs if i were to get him as my first anti red non-rare cat apart from cat machine and crazed whale. 

      Late reply, but I respect your opinion, and the best cat for any of us depends on your cat loadout in the first place. BUT, none of the ubers that you listed have true strength above jizo. Shadow gao and Gothic mitama, while being unparalleled in their individual areas of usefulness, can't function for any other enemy type, while normal gao and Mitama can take out almost all opponents except for the ones that shadow gao and gothic mitama specialize at. That creates a "niche" for what levels they're useful in. Shadow gao is really only useful for the crazed cats and some bosses (like H. nah or the lorax) but outside of that niche he does next to nothing. aphrodite, while having incredible range and great power, has the long range weakness, and while not exactly a true weakness since it increases her range even further, it provides a blind spot that makes her next to useless if it gets breached.Shishalan pasalan is really the one with the least weaknesses here that you mentioned, but his only real weakness is that he needs to be hurt first in order to become godlike. what makes jizo one of the best is that he can do nearly anything without any real hasle or trouble. Because frankly, jizo is spammable enough and strong enough to function as a much stronger cameraman cat or paris cat with slightly less range. Almost any level he's useful in because he functions as a paris cat with less cost, which makes him more cost-effecient, and much stronger. The massive damage is the icing on the cake, making many late game stages a complete cakewalk since they are populated with black and angel enemies. the only thing jizo isn't too good at is enemies like sunfish jones because of their massive range, but even then he's still good for taking him out because he has massive damage against him.


      however, with all of those things listed, Jizo is good at everything, but excels at none, and that's why he's so good. A lot of the strongest cats in the game have one glaring weaknes, and jizo has none of those. most ubers as a result of this weakness work in certain situations, while jizo works in nearly all. His only weakness is super long ranged units and metal enemies, which is shared by nearly all units so it isn't too glaring.

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    • He's like Cloud and Yoshi in Smash 4.

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    • So you think first form gao is better then first form kasa jizo

      well i have one word for you

      Spammability

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    • Uwuwo wrote:
      Red anvil wrote:
      Uwuwo wrote:
      Red anvil wrote:
      I have Jizo, but i like both Kaguya and Sarukani much more... he is the worst out of the ultra souls that I have and... um... maybe my 6¬į favourite uber out of all 13?; so NO, he is NOT the best uber, not even close.
       

      You just gotta be joking. Jizo is basically a paris cat on steroids, but those cats listed are only good for their enemy type. Sarukani is basically a worse jizo but for zonbies and kaguya is only good for her ability.


      I'll agree that Jizo isnt the best cat in the game (that depends on the situation), but he's definitely up there. Saying he's not even close is just blasphemy

      i was not joking. it is obviously subjective, in my setup i have tons of anti-blacks (6 ubers) and anti angels (6 ubers) as well as some anti-everyone (except metal and without zombie killer usually), but without kaguya, my only anti metal or critter uber, i would suck at dealing with metals (kind of), and Sarukani helped me a lot in the past with the zombies and was my salvation for Daboo and Zyclone, also i know that he will make zombie levels considerably easy in the future, the problem with jizo, while i am not blind and know how OP he is, is that he makes blacks and angels much easier, but many other can be the n. 2 at that and do the job anyway, my opinion is that an uber to be top tier needs to be at least "unique" in its way, like the anti white Shadow Gao and Gothic Mitama, or the long ranged Aphrodite, or, maybe, the super strong Baby Gao and Shishalan (not sure about these 2), but not jizo, he may not be far down at all, but the gap whith the bests is massive. I don't really think that kaguya and sarukani have better stats if it is what you understood, i simply like them more because thay are actually almost essential for me, just like i would like  Date Masamume more than many othrs if i were to get him as my first anti red non-rare cat apart from cat machine and crazed whale. 
      Late reply, but I respect your opinion, and the best cat for any of us depends on your cat loadout in the first place. BUT, none of the ubers that you listed have true strength above jizo. Shadow gao and Gothic mitama, while being unparalleled in their individual areas of usefulness, can't function for any other enemy type, while normal gao and Mitama can take out almost all opponents except for the ones that shadow gao and gothic mitama specialize at. That creates a "niche" for what levels they're useful in. Shadow gao is really only useful for the crazed cats and some bosses (like H. nah or the lorax) but outside of that niche he does next to nothing. aphrodite, while having incredible range and great power, has the long range weakness, and while not exactly a true weakness since it increases her range even further, it provides a blind spot that makes her next to useless if it gets breached.Shishalan pasalan is really the one with the least weaknesses here that you mentioned, but his only real weakness is that he needs to be hurt first in order to become godlike. what makes jizo one of the best is that he can do nearly anything without any real hasle or trouble. Because frankly, jizo is spammable enough and strong enough to function as a much stronger cameraman cat or paris cat with slightly less range. Almost any level he's useful in because he functions as a paris cat with less cost, which makes him more cost-effecient, and much stronger. The massive damage is the icing on the cake, making many late game stages a complete cakewalk since they are populated with black and angel enemies. the only thing jizo isn't too good at is enemies like sunfish jones because of their massive range, but even then he's still good for taking him out because he has massive damage against him.


      however, with all of those things listed, Jizo is good at everything, but excels at none, and that's why he's so good. A lot of the strongest cats in the game have one glaring weaknes, and jizo has none of those. most ubers as a result of this weakness work in certain situations, while jizo works in nearly all. His only weakness is super long ranged units and metal enemies, which is shared by nearly all units so it isn't too glaring.

      He excels at black and angels, even if its icing on the cake when it comes to them he absolutely destroys. especially if you can keep a decent sized stack alive

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    • I feel like these quotes of quotes of quotes of so on are getting out of hand, last thing we need is like 50 quotes making the original comment impossible to read, actually that sounds like fun.

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    • Gao > Jizo

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    • ahahha, no.Gao is an all around cat but he isnt really good at anything. His damage is garbage against traitless, and even against things with a trait its only¬†48960, not even reaching 50k. thats just sad.only a DPS of 5197. and thats only 9,355 DPS against things with a trait, which would be good if that was his normal DPS but the fact that its against everything hes good for makes it bad.¬†Unlike kasa jizo where all you need is 3 of them and they already have more DPS,¬†or if its against black or angels¬†then only 2 of them, or against something with a trait besides that then only 5 are needed, keep in mind the¬†quick recharge. When gao dies, You got to wait 2 minutes and 24 seconds, when a kasa jizo dies, just wait 4 seconds. and gao is pretty expensive for a uber and thats important for those stages that rush the enemies out as soon as it starts. while you are saving up for an expensive gao, you could of had 8 kasa jizo's who would have a damage of 54400 together, which is more then gao has even against things with a trait. their DPS would be 16656 which is much more then gao's.




      and if you wanna bring up gao's first form keep in mind that his recharge is about twice as long and but he isnt twice the damage, twice the dps or twice the health, he also has less range and less movement speed. He also cost more

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    • Dreamy Cat wrote:
      No cat in the game can be considered the best cat,as some cats are always better than others depending on the situation (Jizo actually helps less than Bombercat against Razorback),there can or can't be cats better than him.What i have to say is that he's one of the best anti-black/angel units in the game (Even though Momotaro is better against angels than him),however,units like Gao,Mitama and Aphro are better in some cases.

      Well duh, just like all ubers. Ubers need other cats to help support to actually win. No cat can solo Razor back all alone, just them, no cat combos or help. Even bomber cat couldnt, it would freeze then die then freeze then die and it keeps going on until your base is destroyed.

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    • gao is a generally good unit, but there's better for almost every situation.

      Fighting angels? Most ultra souls are better in any situation, as well as many other anti-angels.

      Black? Same with the Vajiras and other anti blacks.

      I personally don't like units without a specific target (with exceptions like Ganesha or A. Bahamut), they are good in early game but they get outclassed by different cats (not necessarely ubers) against the specific targets of a level. Jizo is one of the best anti black and anti angel, not often outclassed, so i think he's easily better than Gao in mid-late game.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote: ahahha, no.Gao is an all around cat but he isnt really good at anything. His damage is garbage against traitless, and even against things with a trait its only¬†48960, not even reaching 50k. thats just sad.only a DPS of 5197. and thats only 9,355 DPS against things with a trait, which would be good if that was his normal DPS but the fact that its against everything hes good for makes it bad.¬†Unlike kasa jizo where all you need is 3 of them and they already have more DPS,¬†or if its against black or angels¬†then only 2 of them, or against something with a trait besides that then only 5 are needed, keep in mind the¬†quick recharge. When gao dies, You got to wait 2 minutes and 24 seconds, when a kasa jizo dies, just wait 4 seconds. and gao is pretty expensive for a uber and thats important for those stages that rush the enemies out as soon as it starts. while you are saving up for an expensive gao, you could of had 8 kasa jizo's who would have a damage of 54400 together, which is more then gao has even against things with a trait. their DPS would be 16656 which is much more then gao's.




      and if you wanna bring up gao's first form keep in mind that his recharge is about twice as long and but he isnt twice the damage, twice the dps or twice the health, he also has less range and less movement speed. He also cost more

      Gao has higher range, and is tankier than Jizo. First form is also better than Jizo against 5 traits.

      Range is a very big thing that can affect the battle.

      Well, if my arguments aren't enough there's still Mitama > Jizo lulz

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    • Red anvil wrote: gao is a generally good unit, but there's better for almost every situation.

      Fighting angels? Most ultra souls are better in any situation, as well as many other anti-angels.

      Black? Same with the Vajiras and other anti blacks.

      I personally don't like units without a specific target (with exceptions like Ganesha or A. Bahamut), they are good in early game but they get outclassed by different cats (not necessarely ubers) against the specific targets of a level. Jizo is one of the best anti black and anti angel, not often outclassed, so i think he's easily better than Gao in mid-late game.

      You're rating by niche.

      IMO (or at least agreed by many others too), general use is most important as it can then carry on many stages. So what if Date can't use its ability? It's attack rate is still high which is useful in more stages (I'm not saying he's like A Tier but he has a good niche and stays in C+ Tier)

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    • HDF0UnofficialAccount wrote:

      Ka$aJ1zo wrote: ahahha, no.Gao is an all around cat but he isnt really good at anything. His damage is garbage against traitless, and even against things with a trait its only 48960, not even reaching 50k. thats just sad.only a DPS of 5197. and thats only 9,355 DPS against things with a trait, which would be good if that was his normal DPS but the fact that its against everything hes good for makes it bad. Unlike kasa jizo where all you need is 3 of them and they already have more DPS, or if its against black or angels then only 2 of them, or against something with a trait besides that then only 5 are needed, keep in mind the quick recharge. When gao dies, You got to wait 2 minutes and 24 seconds, when a kasa jizo dies, just wait 4 seconds. and gao is pretty expensive for a uber and thats important for those stages that rush the enemies out as soon as it starts. while you are saving up for an expensive gao, you could of had 8 kasa jizo's who would have a damage of 54400 together, which is more then gao has even against things with a trait. their DPS would be 16656 which is much more then gao's.




      and if you wanna bring up gao's first form keep in mind that his recharge is about twice as long and but he isnt twice the damage, twice the dps or twice the health, he also has less range and less movement speed. He also cost more

      Gao has higher range, and is tankier than Jizo. First form is also better than Jizo against 5 traits.

      Range is a very big thing that can affect the battle.

      Well, if my arguments aren't enough there's still Mitama > Jizo lulz

      Nope, i said first form. first form gao has 310 range while kasa jizo has 320, and as you said "Range is a very big thing that can affect the battle." also first form gao only has better stats against 3 traits, and even then it doesnt make a difference considering he has about twice the recharge time. which cancles that out. and this is only first form were talking about

      2nd form gao is only one of him, why have one gao when you can have 8 kasa jizo's who have 54400 together damage together,  16656 DPS together, which is more then gao has against things WITH a trait. and thats only 8, you can easily stack them up compared to gao, you can get more kasa jizo's then gao quicker and they will have more health and damage then all forms of gao. Gao is the most overrated uber

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    • HDF0UnofficialAccount wrote:

      Red anvil wrote: gao is a generally good unit, but there's better for almost every situation.

      Fighting angels? Most ultra souls are better in any situation, as well as many other anti-angels.

      Black? Same with the Vajiras and other anti blacks.

      I personally don't like units without a specific target (with exceptions like Ganesha or A. Bahamut), they are good in early game but they get outclassed by different cats (not necessarely ubers) against the specific targets of a level. Jizo is one of the best anti black and anti angel, not often outclassed, so i think he's easily better than Gao in mid-late game.

      You're rating by niche.

      IMO (or at least agreed by many others too), general use is most important as it can then carry on many stages. So what if Date can't use its ability? It's attack rate is still high which is useful in more stages (I'm not saying he's like A Tier but he has a good niche and stays in C+ Tier)

      General use cant carry many stages, because it isnt specialized or good against things, its just "ok" all around. kasa jizo can carry a lot more stages however

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    • HDF0UnofficialAccount wrote:

      Red anvil wrote: gao is a generally good unit, but there's better for almost every situation.

      Fighting angels? Most ultra souls are better in any situation, as well as many other anti-angels.

      Black? Same with the Vajiras and other anti blacks.

      I personally don't like units without a specific target (with exceptions like Ganesha or A. Bahamut), they are good in early game but they get outclassed by different cats (not necessarely ubers) against the specific targets of a level. Jizo is one of the best anti black and anti angel, not often outclassed, so i think he's easily better than Gao in mid-late game.

      You're rating by niche.

      IMO (or at least agreed by many others too), general use is most important as it can then carry on many stages. So what if Date can't use its ability? It's attack rate is still high which is useful in more stages (I'm not saying he's like A Tier but he has a good niche and stays in C+ Tier)

      I get what you are saying, and it makes sense, but usefulness cannot be rated in a general sense, in early game having something that covers you well in most situations (like Gao) is more important, but, if one has a lot of ubers, there is probably one for every situation, so a specific target (like Jizo) is better. 

      I suppose it's impossible to make a comparison that's always true, but i admit i should have remembered that i'm in late game before saying that i don't like generic target, so sorry about that, i didn't mean to say that Gao is bad if that's what you got out of it.

      Still, early game is easier, so those who help more in the hardest side of the game, in my opinion, should be considered better by default if the balancing is fair, it's still nothing more than my opinion, but i think Jizo is better than Gao for this reason.

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    • ok lol idrc about arguing about this since I'm starting to think I might be wrong.

      But the thing is:

      @J1zo: Gao actually has enough damage to make him above many other ubers.

      @Red anvil: But the reason why Jizo is so good is because of general use. Jizo has a use against non-Blacks and Angels.

      Time to make an actual argument that I can defend (I think?), Mitama > Jizo

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    • Yeah but mitama is expensive and¬†¬† s l o o¬† o¬†¬† o¬†¬†¬† o¬†¬†¬†¬† w

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    • Mitama > Jizo?¬†

      I agree with this.

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    • Bulukaki wrote:
      Yeah but mitama is expensive and   s l o o  o   o    o     w

      What she does is OP enough to not be affected by cost and speed.

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    • HDF0UnofficialAccount wrote:
      ok lol idrc about arguing about this since I'm starting to think I might be wrong.

      But the thing is:

      @J1zo: Gao actually has enough damage to make him above many other ubers.

      @Red anvil: But the reason why Jizo is so good is because of general use. Jizo has a use against non-Blacks and Angels.

      Time to make an actual argument that I can defend (I think?), Mitama > Jizo

      Most ubers doesnt mean kasa jizo



      with mitama and jizo it can go either way honestly,you're comparing a cat made for high DPS and damage vs a really good supporter. both need other supports or attacks to actually be good

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    • The thing is they are so different that its hard to compare. they specialize in completely different things

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:

      HDF0UnofficialAccount wrote:
      ok lol idrc about arguing about this since I'm starting to think I might be wrong.

      But the thing is:

      @J1zo: Gao actually has enough damage to make him above many other ubers.

      @Red anvil: But the reason why Jizo is so good is because of general use. Jizo has a use against non-Blacks and Angels.

      Time to make an actual argument that I can defend (I think?), Mitama > Jizo

      Most ubers doesnt mean kasa jizo



      with mitama and jizo it can go either way honestly,you're comparing a cat made for high DPS and damage vs a really good supporter. both need other supports or attacks to actually be good

      No Mitama has decent DPS on her own, not to mention her ability to snipe backline the same time as well.

      Also I get that they are different but this is asking whether Jizo is the best cat and not is Jizo the best attacker so.

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    • 4,222 is not decent DPS, its below average. also i know but still, you cant really compare which is better because they both have different abilities and purposes. There is no best cat. all cats specialize in different things

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    • Having mitama alone in a stage, just her is gonna lose, if the stage is an actual average stage that you do not some EoC stage or ITF stage. or even early COTC. She needs other support like meatshields to survive. and against a boss. she may need more attacking power otherwise enemies will stack up and destroy you. even if she can slow. thats why you need attackers. her DPS is below average and not good enough to support alone most of the times. you usually need other cats like dragons, ubers, or legends to help. or other forms of attackers.

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    • Also, her base range is pretty low making it easy for enemies attack her. anything with 350 range or more will easily be able to attack her where as kasa jizo can be stacked to survive and get hits before dying. or use the 2nd form to outrange. unlike mitama

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    • Just wish I could get something good for once yet all I have so far is shingen and anubis

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    • anubis can be good for shockwave enemies, not broken like shishilan or shadow gao but hes pretty good. i would say in terms of against shockwavers he comes in a 3rd or 4th. shingen is really good but really situational

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    • Mitama has Strong to boost her damage. Other than that I can say that Jizo is less tanky than Mitama usually. And even then there's always a strategy using the frontline to snipe backline. She can stall for very long while doing damage.

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    • Something to mention, there are few ways cyborg cat is better than Kasa Jizo:

      1. Cyborg has 50 more range than Jizo

      2. Almost the same damage thanks to its true form

      3. Can be upgraded more easily unlike Jizo since Jizo is an Uber and Cyborg is rare.

      Well, on the other hand, Jizo can most of the time be more superior, especially against black and angels.

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    • Noxisblack wrote:
      Something to mention, there are few ways cyborg cat is better than Kasa Jizo:

      1. Cyborg has 50 more range than Jizo

      2. Almost the same damage thanks to its true form

      3. Can be upgraded more easily unlike Jizo since Jizo is an Uber and Cyborg is rare.

      Well, on the other hand, Jizo can most of the time be more superior, especially against black and angels.

      Jizo is almost always better due to cost-effectiveness.

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    • HDF0UnofficialAccount wrote:
      Mitama has Strong to boost her damage. Other than that I can say that Jizo is less tanky than Mitama usually. And even then there's always a strategy using the frontline to snipe backline. She can stall for very long while doing damage.

      No TF she doesnt, can you start actually researching before you start saying BS? A lot of the things you said have been made up. she doesnt get extra damage she only has resistant. which gives her 148750 HP against all traits with all treasures. doesnt really make her tanky because of her 15 knockbacks.  so every hit of about 10,000 damage and she will be knocked back which cancles her hits. not to mention the LD causes her to miss a quite a bit when against fast and fast attacking enemies like black and angels. zombies too sometimes. 

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    • Noxisblack wrote:
      Something to mention, there are few ways cyborg cat is better than Kasa Jizo:

      1. Cyborg has 50 more range than Jizo

      2. Almost the same damage thanks to its true form

      3. Can be upgraded more easily unlike Jizo since Jizo is an Uber and Cyborg is rare.

      Well, on the other hand, Jizo can most of the time be more superior, especially against black and angels.


      1. Stop adding BS. cyborg has 30 more not 50. kasa jizo's range is 320. and cyborgs is 350. only about 3 enemies have range between the two and all 3 enemies rarely show up. im counting manic and crazed titans as one sense they are about the same thing.

      2. also kasa jizo has more DPS. about twice the DPS actually. even if its TF

      3. mostly depends on luck so you cant really count it the same. if it was basics or lil' it would be different. some people have 2 kasa jizo's but no paris' and you need quite a bit of + levels to equal  kasa jizo in terms of DPS she needs to be in TF and 40 +11 just to barely be stronger than a level 30 kasa jizo, a level 40 kasa jizo needs a cyborg 40 +27 to be stronger. chances of getting that many paris' are lower than 2 kasa jizos especially with garuanteed draws.

      Also due to cost kasa jizo is better. more health too. by a lot



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    • I dunno why need a comparison of units when uber is definitely stronger than rares...

      If the certain uber gets to +27 it be too much for the rare to catch up with.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:

      Noxisblack wrote:
      Something to mention, there are few ways cyborg cat is better than Kasa Jizo:

      1. Cyborg has 50 more range than Jizo

      2. Almost the same damage thanks to its true form

      3. Can be upgraded more easily unlike Jizo since Jizo is an Uber and Cyborg is rare.

      Well, on the other hand, Jizo can most of the time be more superior, especially against black and angels.


      1. Stop adding BS. cyborg has 30 more not 50. kasa jizo's range is 320. and cyborgs is 350. only about 3 enemies have range between the two and all 3 enemies rarely show up. im counting manic and crazed titans as one sense they are about the same thing.

      2. also kasa jizo has more DPS. about twice the DPS actually. even if its TF

      3. mostly depends on luck so you cant really count it the same. if it was basics or lil' it would be different. some people have 2 kasa jizo's but no paris' and you need quite a bit of + levels to equal  kasa jizo in terms of DPS she needs to be in TF and 40 +11 just to barely be stronger than a level 30 kasa jizo, a level 40 kasa jizo needs a cyborg 40 +27 to be stronger. chances of getting that many paris' are lower than 2 kasa jizos especially with garuanteed draws.

      Also due to cost kasa jizo is better. more health too. by a lot



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      for your 2nd point note that Paris is generally more boosted and is not twice. For point 3 what is the point of debating in this thread lol.

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    • i said "about" its not exactly twice. and actually its pretty close to being twice the DPS, only off by a mere¬†508, which is pretty close. also generally doesnt really matter. because even if it is more boosted you need a lot of paris to match one kasa jizo at level 30 alone. and even more for 40.¬†



      For point 3 im saying that you cant say another unit is better simply because you manage to get more of it. you have to compare level 30 to level 30.someone cant say paris is better because they got her 40+80 but have kasa jizo at level 1.

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    • yeah comparison is like unbalance for uber vs super rare vs rare.

      only comparison is usefulness per stage at least.

      statwise it will be very unfair.

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    • Exactly, which is why it doesnt make sense to even try to argue how cyborg could be as good as one of the, if not even THE best uber. kasa jizo is a really high ranked uber, top 10 ubers for most people and for some even the best uber. Comparing a rare cat to an uber as high ranked as him is kinda silly. Thats like comparing mina¬†to aphrodite, or basic cat to titan cat, or bird to bahamut.

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    • okay lets just agree to close this thread. just make another one for those who want a piece of their mind for making a list of best cat per tier instead.

      further replies to this thread is now a warning. just make something new if needed.

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    • There's no cat that can be considered "the best",as there are:

      1.Ppl opinions

      2.Varied target traits

      3.Level Battlegrounds

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    • Then why come to this thread? the point is to decide what you think is the best not to be that person that disagrees with all sides.

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    • Kasa Jizo is one of the best cats. He's an SS tier.

      Of course, this means he's an OP, universally powerful unit.

      But all of them have places where they REALLY exceed, and where they are bad.

      Miko Mitama is great for shutting down almost any rush enemy, but is awful against Traitless enemies due to her generally low health.

      Gao is great as a damage dealer, but like Mitama is mediocre against traited enemies.

      Aphrodite is wonderful for sniping back forces like Nyandam variants or Sloths, or cheesing a level. However, she is useless against pushing enemies which get into her blind spot easily.

      And Kasa Jizo is a great stackable DPS unit and SHREDS XP stages, but bad in levels against enemies with long range and fast attack (Camelle variants) as he can't stack.

      Really, they all have their uses and their... not uses, but if it came down to my choice I would say Gao would be the best because he is still helpful even when he is faced against his weakness, traited enemies. Gao also has generally high, all around stats.

      Keep in mind that most of this is theoretical as I (obviously) do not have all of these.

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    • You mean Shadow Gao?

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    • to me, gao is good. but he isnt really good. sure he can do alright against most enemies. but when you bring him in a stage, he never excels at anything. he can help you a bit but he doesnt do as good of a job as most ubers would against that type.¬†

      if i were to give a number from 1 to 10 against which enemies it would go like this

      kasa jizo vs black/angels  - 10

      jizo's moving castle vs black and angels - 8.9

      jizo's moving castle vs other enemies - 5

      gao vs traited enemies - 7

      catman vs alien/angels/floating - 8

      thundia vs red - 9

      shadow gao vs traitless - 10

      shadow gao vs traited - 4.5

      mitama vs traited - 9

      mitama vs traitless - 2

      dark mitama vs traitless - 9

      dark mitama vs traited - 2.5

      kasa jizo vs other enemies - 7.5

      baby gao vs traited enemies - 5

      baby gao vs traitless enemies - 3

      gao vs traitless - 4

      bahamut(normal form) vs any enemy type - 4

      awakened bahamut vs any enemy type - 7.5 ( when he is alive he can get LOTS of quick damage out before dying)



      these are just my opinions though. sure all ubers have their downfalls but its the uber with the least. why be just good against most and bad against some.  when you can be really great against a few and and pretty good against the others.

      total scores for against all enemies

      kasa jizo - 17.5

      shadow gao - 14.5

      jizo's moving castle - 13.9

      gao - 13

      dark mitama - 11.5

      mitama - 11

      These are the usefulness scores against every type of enemy combined.

      One last thing, best doesnt mean it is better than everything else at everything. Just means which is the best overall with the most things its good at. which is why i used this point system to help you understand. for instance. on here kasa jizo has the highest total score, making him the best on here. that doesnt mean hes gonna outclass shadow gao against hermit cat. just means out of all catagory's his total score in the end was higher. THAT is what made him the best. another thing is. mitama is generally better than gao in most cases. but it was being against traitless which really helped gao get over her score. doesnt mean gao is better at everything. just means he generally is better. but if you want to get specific for certain ubers go back up and you will see mitama has a higher score against traited than gao.

      I hope this helps put things into perspective.

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    • Ok

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote: to me, gao is good. but he isnt really good. sure he can do alright against most enemies. but when you bring him in a stage, he never excels at anything. he can help you a bit but he doesnt do as good of a job as most ubers would against that type.¬†

      if i were to give a number from 1 to 10 against which enemies it would go like this

      kasa jizo vs black/angels  - 10

      jizo's moving castle vs black and angels - 8.9

      jizo's moving castle vs other enemies - 5

      gao vs traited enemies - 7

      catman vs alien/angels/floating - 8

      thundia vs red - 9

      shadow gao vs traitless - 10

      shadow gao vs traited - 4.5

      mitama vs traited - 9

      mitama vs traitless - 2

      dark mitama vs traitless - 9

      dark mitama vs traited - 2.5

      kasa jizo vs other enemies - 7.5

      baby gao vs traited enemies - 5

      baby gao vs traitless enemies - 3

      gao vs traitless - 4

      bahamut(normal form) vs any enemy type - 4

      awakened bahamut vs any enemy type - 7.5 ( when he is alive he can get LOTS of quick damage out before dying)



      these are just my opinions though. sure all ubers have their downfalls but its the uber with the least. why be just good against most and bad against some.  when you can be really great against a few and and pretty good against the others.

      total scores for against all enemies

      kasa jizo - 17.5

      shadow gao - 14.5

      jizo's moving castle - 13.9

      gao - 13

      dark mitama - 11.5

      mitama - 11

      These are the usefulness scores against every type of enemy combined.

      One last thing, best doesnt mean it is better than everything else at everything. Just means which is the best overall with the most things its good at. which is why i used this point system to help you understand. for instance. on here kasa jizo has the highest total score, making him the best on here. that doesnt mean hes gonna outclass shadow gao against hermit cat. just means out of all catagory's his total score in the end was higher. THAT is what made him the best. another thing is. mitama is generally better than gao in most cases. but it was being against traitless which really helped gao get over her score. doesnt mean gao is better at everything. just means he generally is better. but if you want to get specific for certain ubers go back up and you will see mitama has a higher score against traited than gao.

      I hope this helps put things into perspective.

      Mitama's impact on traited stages is more massive.

      It doesn't matter if you don't think this is the real Wuffa, what matters is the explaination.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/battlecats/comments/5qujkc/mitama_the_oracle_overview/

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    • What do you mean more? 9 is pretty high, just not the highest. when you have something like shadow gao against traitless or kasa jizo against angels and black they completely destroy, but mitama, due to her lack of range makes it so she is a 9 and not a 10. 350 base¬†range isnt really high enough to deal with a lot of traited enemies. because there are lots of traited enemies with over 350 range. if she had more she would easily be 10 but that one problem alone is the main reason. though 9 is really high. most cats are gonna be between 7 and 8 at what they specialize in.

      You can explain all you want but its not gonna change anythings. unless she gets a range buff to make it over 400 she stays a 9.

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    • I have personal experience with Mitama, and I can say that her range is not a problem at all. Her detection range is average (350) but her hit radius (250-650) is really good. If there are a few peons (almost any stage) she can outrange most big scary bosses. And about her blindspot, the amount of knockbacks she has will let her easily score hits. She has a very small blindspot, so she can hit easily after being knocked back. Her slow will keep them from pushing back into her blindspot, and this same slow can keep them out of her blindspot to begin with.¬† Also, because 90% of her attack animation is backswing, she can still attack even if getting knocked back constantly.

      I will agree that she sucks horribly againt traitless enemies tho, so it does make her somewhat situational.

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    • Besides, Jizo has less base range, but I don't see you reducing his score for that.

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    • Yes but he is spammable, that is the difference, their arent enough angels or blacks with higher range than him to reduce the score, if some die then more will come to get in hits, so that fixes his problem, where mitama once she dies you got to wait a long time again. Sure she outranges a lot but still, there are too many things that can stop her from getting a hit in. also her 15 knock backs too, combind that with range and it really prevents hits from happening. you only get one chance with her, once shes dead you must rely on something else to help you stop the enemy.¬†

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    • also you cant expect ANY cat to be 10 out of 10 against everything or as many as that. mitama is good for all traits, but saying shes 10 against all with a trait would be saying she is beyond broken, she is extremely good but once again, its the range, she comes in handy a lot but there are some situations like against sloth or camell variants, or master A, or I.M phace. I can continue. She has lots of flaws, but the reason kasa jizo is a 10 against angels and black is because his lack of flaws, even when he is outranged he can still help out a lot.¬†

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    • One last thing to keep in mind, lack of bad things doesnt always make something great. If you bring her in a level, a lot of times you need to bring another attacker or something else. when you bring kasa jizo in a level with black and angels, you dont really need support much, sure there are a few situations but for the most part when you bring kasa jizo its like there is this absolute, sureness that you will win, when you bring mitama, she is gonna help but its not as secure. Kasa jizo can solo many mid game and sometimes late game¬†levels in fact. I dont see mitama doing that.

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    • It's just a player's opinion Normal Zoge, not facts, judge the units by yourself by trying them, it's the only reliable way to find out who is good and who isn't.

      There are just too many variables for anything objective to exist on this matter.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo bruh u dont fucking know how to use a support unit. You're not just gonna bring one of 'em, you're gonna use a whole bunch. I used 4 support units and one attacker to kill all 10 bores (200%) at the same time on¬†Benzene Field (and I didn't even¬†use specifically anti-red units such as ice cat, check my comment). I can't see kasa jizo doing anythin' like that on his own, do you? Some units isn't very good on their own, but when paired up with others they can CRUSH certain stages.

      Also, when you're asking "what unit is the best?" you need to specify the circumstances. If someone were to ask me that question I would say Crazed wall cat as it is very spammable, very cheap, very high health (for such a cheap and spammable unit) and is useful on almost every stage in the game. Of course that is not what you would expect for an honest answer as you were probably thinking of some unit with high health and damage, etc.

      But lets say you wanna know what unit is best against all types of enemies with the purpose to kill them. In that case I'd say Togeluga because when you enrage him (which is very easy, so 1+ for that) he will do an insane 153 000 damage (198 000 if you hypermax him!!!) against all types of enemies. He is not very expensive compared to other ubers and has generally good stats. Also survive and shockwave resistance makes it even better. His only weakness is when enemies outrange him, as it will render him utterly useless.

      Now let's look at Kasa Jizo. He has all-around very good stats. He will kill most black and angel enemies without any problems. However, enemies without the black/angel trait will be more difficult to kill because of his mediocre range. For example; a boosted Rain. D. Since there's only a 20 range difference, jizo will easily come in it's range and die. Or a group of boosted Otta-smack-u's that will tear through your meatshields and kill the jizos.

      So the unit that is best at killing all types of enemies is Togeluga, second place is most likely Shadow gao and third place is Gao.

      But what about the unit that best at killing blacks and angels? In such a stage, Kasa Jizo would be the best unit by far, destroying most of the enemies. Blacks only? 1. Nobunaga 2. Bomber. Angel only? Dioramos. All units are good at different things because of their abilities.

      Anyways, I don't really wanna write a book just to tell people that there is no unit that is best at everything. All units are good on certain stages and bad on others. Some exist just to give the player more options, for example: if you don't have salon cat, you can buy actress cat. Or: If you don't have crazed cat, you can buy boogie cat. So I just gonna end this already cuz it's bloody 1.30 AM and I wanna sleep ;( bai

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    • Now that i have more experience in the game, I can say that even top levels like Jizo aren't gonna carry everything.

      Jizo is incredibly powerful... except when he’s outranged, then you're wasting 750 every 5 seconds.

      Mitama is a f**king god... except against white enemies, where you might as well be using first form bahamhut.

      Aphro is incredible for such range, and combined with Sniper the Recruit is the god of cheesing... but useless when pushers get into her (quite large) blindspot.

      Togeluga has incredible power, but against anything with LD like Tackeys or Moles he gets trapped in an endless knockback loop and won’t do anything, at all.

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    • his stackable DPS is his best part with enough range for it to actually be useful. why support with you can absolutely destroy something. seeing as they have around the same range. thats really the only question. mitama can easily be replaced by many other rares and super rares. and other ubers too. all mitama does is slow. thats it. nothing special



      remember mitama has only 350 range. for a uber like her thats bad. she isnt spammable. once she dies thats it. you just have to wait all that time for another, however if kasa jizo dies its only 4 seconds before the next one. not to mention upgrading does a lot better for him then it does mitama. when you get kasa jizo to level 50 he becomes an absolute beast. he can even solo no plan A at level 50. and some other stages too. mitama when you get her to level 50 she just gains a bit more hp and attack. thats it. while kasa jizo gains a bit more. it stacks up. 

      5 level 30 kasa jizos will do 34000 damage, 5 level 50 kasa jizos do about 50,000. and it does that every 3 seconds, thats a lot of DPS. mitama can be helpful but she gets replaced a lot. someone like balaluga can play the supporting role better than mitama can. because of his high range.

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    • Rallve wrote:
      Ka$aJ1zo bruh u dont fucking know how to use a support unit. You're not just gonna bring one of 'em, you're gonna use a whole bunch. I used 4 support units and one attacker to kill all 10 bores (200%) at the same time on Benzene Field (and I didn't even use specifically anti-red units such as ice cat, check my comment). I can't see kasa jizo doing anythin' like that on his own, do you? Some units isn't very good on their own, but when paired up with others they can CRUSH certain stages.

      Also, when you're asking "what unit is the best?" you need to specify the circumstances. If someone were to ask me that question I would say Crazed wall cat as it is very spammable, very cheap, very high health (for such a cheap and spammable unit) and is useful on almost every stage in the game. Of course that is not what you would expect for an honest answer as you were probably thinking of some unit with high health and damage, etc.

      But lets say you wanna know what unit is best against all types of enemies with the purpose to kill them. In that case I'd say Togeluga because when you enrage him (which is very easy, so 1+ for that) he will do an insane 153 000 damage (198 000 if you hypermax him!!!) against all types of enemies. He is not very expensive compared to other ubers and has generally good stats. Also survive and shockwave resistance makes it even better. His only weakness is when enemies outrange him, as it will render him utterly useless.

      Now let's look at Kasa Jizo. He has all-around very good stats. He will kill most black and angel enemies without any problems. However, enemies without the black/angel trait will be more difficult to kill because of his mediocre range. For example; a boosted Rain. D. Since there's only a 20 range difference, jizo will easily come in it's range and die. Or a group of boosted Otta-smack-u's that will tear through your meatshields and kill the jizos.

      So the unit that is best at killing all types of enemies is Togeluga, second place is most likely Shadow gao and third place is Gao.

      But what about the unit that best at killing blacks and angels? In such a stage, Kasa Jizo would be the best unit by far, destroying most of the enemies. Blacks only? 1. Nobunaga 2. Bomber. Angel only? Dioramos. All units are good at different things because of their abilities.

      Anyways, I don't really wanna write a book just to tell people that there is no unit that is best at everything. All units are good on certain stages and bad on others. Some exist just to give the player more options, for example: if you don't have salon cat, you can buy actress cat. Or: If you don't have crazed cat, you can buy boogie cat. So I just gonna end this already cuz it's bloody 1.30 AM and I wanna sleep ;( bai

      we never said there is a best at anything, the entire point of this is to say which is the best overall. and in most situations kasa jizo wont fail you, he comes in handy for a lot more things. overall i would say he is generally the best. hes not the best for every situation. but when it comes to it he wont let you down. and if his range is a problem use his second form. 

      also because of his spammability 20 range is a big difference, unlike slower attacking cats. for him 20 range difference and he can still dominate. for something bahamut for example because of his slow attacks it makes a big difference. but a stack of kasa jizos will assure you that only 20 extra range is all they need

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    • I have Mitama and Jizo at the same level, so I can say that you are rrally underselling Mitama‚Äôs power.

      Mitama "only slows" but she "only slows" ALL traits, and does so very well actually, saving you about 5 slots in levels like At Least, I’m A Cat. Also, the fact that she’s effective against all traits means you can pack her into your general slot and you're good.

      Mitama also may only have 350 range, but she has over 100k health against traits and 15 knockbacks, making her last for a VERY long time. Generally she stays alive as long as I need her to and often get two out in a level.

      And about her 350 range, you’re forgetting that she also has LD, meaning she hits up to 650 in the field, slowing everything that maybe a problem soon. She also slows for a very long time and as a good attack rate, meaning permaslow with ITF treasures.

      "Why use support when you can absolutely destroy everything?" How can you absolutely destroy something that will just destroy you first? Support is much more important than you may think, and Mitama js probably the best support unit out there.

      I am not saying Jizo is "bad", but I’m saying Mitama is equally, if not more, powerful.

      Now before you lash back at me, remember I have both Jizo and Mitama, and both at the same level (28), and they are both part of my general lineup that I use to test each new stage.

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    • i think the problem is that you only have kasa jizo at level 28, as i said between level 30 and 50 he gains an insane jump in stats and even more of a difference when you stack him, when i had kasa jizo at low levels i thought he was meh, then i thought he was pretty good at about level 35. now that hes at level 50 he cant really be compared to a lot of good ubers because of how amazing his stats were. im not underselling mitama, im just saying shes not as good. while i do agree mitama is insanely good. just not enough. if the level cap was only 30 for both of them then mitama easily would be better imo. but as the levels go up mitamas role isnt as much. an attacker gets much better with levels while a supporter generally stays about the same.

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    • Give up Zoge, Mitama can easily be called the best uber in the game, but some people will never change their mind.

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    • jeez... this is one long thread for someone just trying to prove that jizo > mitama.... jizo is basically like super paris and is the best stackable dps in the game unless he gets outranged... But Mitama is the perma slowing semi-immortal stage breaker and by far the best uber... they both are SS tier with Shadow gao and Aphro but I¬†rank them 1. Mitama 2. SGao (cuz upper HT) 3. Jizo 4. Aphro....¬†

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    • Mitama doesnt have much more range than him. her range is only 350

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    • This entire thing is pointless anyways. its a battle of opinions. besides this is a page about kasa jizo. not mitama

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    • Anyways, the question "Is Kasa Jizo the best cat?" is honestly stupid. You don't use Kasa Jizo only. You have 10 spaces in your loadout where you can use a combination of different units to clear certain stages, so¬†whether Kasa Jizo is the best cat or not doesn't matter.

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    • no its not. ive already explained it. its pretty stupid to make that¬†comment.There is no best for everything. and it does matter, something thats generally the best can help you in most situations something you can usually keep in your loadout. and anyways if its so stupid then keep out of it since you clearly have come here to add nothing to it. Dont go to threads adding useless information to them or to just say bad things about it. unless you are here to add actual useful information or an argument, then leave.

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    • DukeOfDragonzz wrote: It depends on the categories. There are three major types of Ubers.

      1: The kind that is good all-around (Gao, Sodom, Raiden)

      2: The kind that is only useful in a few situations, but is really good in those situations (Oda, Shingen, Momo)

      3: The kind that is not good at all (Cat Machine, Togeluga)


      Jizo's stats make him similar to a better Paris Cat, which is widely useful. His abilities don't add too much to the table. So his use doesn't have much limits, and he is good in those situations.

      That makes him one of the best Ubers. However, you said "Cat." Throughout all of my experience, there is one cat that is easily better than Jizo.

      Eraser Cat. He's a freakin meatshield. Try doing levels without him.

      Jizo: Great Uber, but not the best cat out there by any means.

      calls Sodom as good as gao. says cat machine is a shit uber… what is this post? (unless you watch a youtuber with 0.5 subs who proves that Sodom is the best uber in the game or played a shockwave level where cat machine sucked)

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    • also I hate Aphrodite because for me at least she ruins a lot of stages by cheesing the hell out of them, she can fucking take down 20 elder sloths at once. broken uber if you're aspiring to make unique serious custom stages.. kasa jizo has much more range and therefore a much wider variety of counters but for most of my levels I have to use tackeys or zrocos.

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    • Dreamy Cat wrote:

      The Battle Cats - Sweet XP (Insane) with Kasa Jizo and Crazed Wall Cat Only

      The Battle Cats - Sweet XP (Insane) with Kasa Jizo and Crazed Wall Cat Only

      Visual proof that Kasa Jizo is one of the best anti-blacks

      Jizo is actually a good anti-black.Just don't rely on him against Razorback unless you freeze him.

      lol. of all things, dragon cats breathing fire, volcanoes with flaming bites, titans with punches strong enough to create earthquakes and many god like beings with explosive god powers.... it's a fucking man with a pistol... man I gotta find the darkweb site where he bought that pistol from.

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    • NEW UBER ALERT! The new uber Chronos is here.... and actually chronos is pretty broken and might even be as strong as mitama. I'd say this uber might break the hate for growing strange as she'll make everything a little easier... she seems a little underwhelming at first but she is easily stackable thanks to her long range... and the long range mechanic. definitely good for ploughing through certain stages and she can help your meatshields with her freeze. ok I think I should actually say what this uber does. she has a long range X3 multihit, every hit has a 100% chance to freeze, the hits come in fairly far apart from eachother (about as much as deale) and the freeze is very short, like a ministun. (weird thing about this uber, chronos is a greek male god and is the father of time... however chronos here is a woman and has a pyramid in the sprite)

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    • Mitama vs Chronos

      Chronos:

      More range, freeze instead of slow, causes less lag, cheaper and more spammable

      Mitama:

      Longer effect duration, much more stamina for both health and knockbacks, many immunities, faster attacks, versatility and animation

      I'd say that Mitama is still better, but i consider Chronos better than Aphrodite, Jizo, D' Artanyan and many others.

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    • aah yes of course mitama's resistance to everything, beats it all... until the legendary Dober PD and R.ost show up (together). also XD at the lag stuff. I really want chronos not because of how good she is (mind you if she was shit it would be a lot worse) but because I'm a time obsessed person who loves it whenever a time related/controlling character is in a game.

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    • A level 30 kasa jizo is good, but once you get kasa jizo to level 50, he annihilates so much with ease. Compare level 1 kasa jizo to level 1 mitama, mitama wins easily, compare level 30 kasa jizo to level 30 mitama, mitama would have an edge, compare level 50 kasa jizo to level 50 mitama and i would say without a doubt that kasa jizo by far outclasses. but thats just my opinion.

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    • its pretty much, would you rather stall and cease enemies progression, or would you rather obliterate them.

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    • jizo can solo darkweb

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    • he can also solo no plan A at level 50, manic island, and XP colosseum, and floor 35, many other stages too.

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    • In general no he isn't the best cat. In this game there is no best cat, because every one is situational. S. Gao is great until some bun bun wrecks your fun fun. Catman is great until tacky shows up. Jizo is great until some terribly buffed master A joins. Every cat has a strength and a weakness

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    • the thing is there is a best, there is no best at everything, but what he means is when you add up all the pros and cons, which comes on top? all around i would say kasa jizo is the best because he can handle almost any type of situation, there are those few cases where he isnt useful but for the most part hes generally good at. and when i say best i mean not counting meatshields or that type of thing because you really cant have a victory without them on later stages.

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    • Mitama is more broken than jizo for most of the game... destroys far more levels than cyborg with¬†4x the dps... Jizo is definitely SS tier, just not number one... Maybe in 3 years if there are like 30 UL stages and mitama isn't useful on any of them and jizo is, jizo could be considered the best cat...¬†

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    • An unevolved lvl. 30 Jizo keeps his usefulness on 1-3 star difficulty throughout the entirety of SoL. That says a lot, even though it's cliche.

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      Mitama is more broken than jizo for most of the game... destroys far more levels than cyborg with 4x the dps... Jizo is definitely SS tier, just not number one... Maybe in 3 years if there are like 30 UL stages and mitama isn't useful on any of them and jizo is, jizo could be considered the best cat... 

      Mitama is useful in almost all SoL and UL stage due to them containing traited enemies. Her Epicfest variant (whom I have) is only viable for some SoL levels and a couple of Heavenly Tower floors. But the fact that cheeky Jizo still keeps his edge throughout the entirety of the game is something to be in awe about.

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    • yeah and the higher level they are, the bigger edge jizo gets. i mean being able to spam something that does over 10k damage every 3 seconds is a bit op, considering it has a decent bit of range. against black and angels, jizo easily outclasses no questions asked. against everything else it really depends on the situation but most cases i would say kasa jizo.even though mitama has LD her stand range of 350 isnt too great for a uber with a recharge as long as hers.

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    • christ who cares.¬† just use the best cats for the situation, there's no simple best or not in this game due to abilities, enemy types, range, etc.

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    • Jizo has a more universal use than most ubers and all spammable damage dealers. Doesn't matter if the enemies fit his niche or not, he still has an extreme edge over the formal and latter. The only exception that is a tight close second is Mitama for sure. If she ever gets the immunity to curse she'll be tied with Jizo for most (non-MS) viable unit.

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    • alright, I doubt this will sway any of you but here goes. There are indeed ubers that are better that others (otherwise we wouldn't have the tierlist), some are better than others in their niche, some have more valuable niches, and some are better in generalists than others.. Mitama is the best uber in the game, and¬†has 15 kbs, almost 120k hp at level 30, immunity to debuffs -curse/warp, almost permaslow, almost complete backswing,¬†and LD from 250-650 with a 350 standing range.. she can almost completely halt the push of all type of enemies unless their frontline outranges her, and she has extremely good survivablitity... Jizo (1st form ofc)¬†is the best midranger in the game, and posseses 2k dps at level 30, with only a little motr ythan a 4s recharge, 320 range, 15k hp, 3 kbs, massive damage to blacks and angels (destroys any xp stage combined¬†with bomber), and a very short attack animation... Jizo is by FAR the best midranger, but things like slapstick/camera/paris do exist, it you don't have mitama, you don't have mitama (assiluga/cyberpunk are the closest replacements I can think of)... Jizo carries black stages as well as angel stages where he outranges, and is a paris upgrade on most other stages,¬†but mitama carries every stage except white ones, and the ones where she is outranged by everything, her blind spot isn't much of a problem due to her having so much hp and a lot of kbs + she will ofc have dps support with her to deal with anything in the blindspot... Jizo does get even better as it is leveled higher, being a DPS uber, while all mitama gains is more hp and a less mediocre dps, but even when comparing them at level 50 mitama is still a more useful uber, this may change one day if she is useless on F41-50, and all the future UL, but I doubt that will be the case... So, untill there is some insane amount of powercreep, mitama is the best uber in the game, and jizo is the 2nd best as well as the best midranger...¬†

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    • Maybe if you didnt make what you say seem like fact instead of opinion. Because keep in mind these are still opinions.

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    • You can have a correct or less correct¬†opinion... Thanks for saying that my arguement sounds TOO factual...¬†

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    • it doesnt, but it seems more like you trying to say your opinion is fact. theres a difference. with how you are going about it, thats like saying "red IS better than blue".¬† Relic face IS harder than Relic bun bun

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    • I sure am trying to say that my opinion is fact,¬†I'm very confident that I am correct, and since your counterarguement seems to be that I'm saying it wrong, I don't see why I wouldn't present my arguement as factual... Please either accept that I'm right, Come up with an actual counterarguement, or just decide that I won't sway you and we can kill this thread...

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    • I mostly agree with you Lemon, but an opinion can't be fact by definition, and you can't really force someone to change theirs, so, if you want to kill this thread, just leave it, it's pointless.

      Either way, you forgot a thing about your argument before, being that the levels that can be made easier by jizo must have units with reasonable ranges (there are exceptions such as Kurosawa and others), meaning that Mitama can make about all of them easy enough to complete no problem, while the same can't be said the other way around.

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    • mitama is bad against nyandam variants, the slowing isnt really useful considering they dont move when they are actually a threat. slowing is only really good for things with fast speed and short range. as soon as mitama gets in range of one she gets hit and a lot of her hp is gone.



      but like i was saying, in situations like manic tank, kasa jizo's 2nd and 3rd form are pretty good for that stage. while the same cant be said the other way around. and sometimes you need a ranged meatshield, like on the haunted LD1K. kasa jizo's range and damage allows him to take the hits and give the hits. stopping zombies from burrowing. they both play different roles however,

      damage vs support. like offense vs defense. offense can die without protection easily, and defense without enough offense gets easily overwhelmed. well. unlike most ubers kasa jizo being spammable is an offense and a semi defensive cat. its close but i would give him that edge.

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    • You don't need to repeat yourself.

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    • This thread has lived long.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote: mitama is bad against nyandam variants, the slowing isnt really useful considering they dont move when they are actually a threat. slowing is only really good for things with fast speed and short range. as soon as mitama gets in range of one she gets hit and a lot of her hp is gone.



      but like i was saying, in situations like manic tank, kasa jizo's 2nd and 3rd form are pretty good for that stage. while the same cant be said the other way around. and sometimes you need a ranged meatshield, like on the haunted LD1K. kasa jizo's range and damage allows him to take the hits and give the hits. stopping zombies from burrowing. they both play different roles however,

      damage vs support. like offense vs defense. offense can die without protection easily, and defense without enough offense gets easily overwhelmed. well. unlike most ubers kasa jizo being spammable is an offense and a semi defensive cat. its close but i would give him that edge.

      You can replace Kasa jizo with a lot of cats. Sure her against Nyandam isnt very useful but every thing supporting the Nyandam will get permaslowed. In any case, her resistance and knockbacks ensure she will survive long enough for your dps to kill nyandams.

      And Mitamas second form destroys every stage with traits in it. Seriously i stopped using her cause i was getting tired of tearing through everything. One or two stages where Kasa jizos 2nd form shines is a poor argument. I can easily say Mitama destroys every metal stages wheres Kasa is useless there.


      Thing is, its far far easier to get offense than defense in this game. And Mitama ensures no attackers will get to your offensive cats, so you can also argue that she provides defensive and offensive capabilities to your team. Its nowhere close imo, the fact that you can replace Kasa with different bootleg cats makes mitama the winner.

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    • You actually cant replace. you can use them but they dont do nearly as good as a job. thats like saying you can replace mitama with chronos or li'l nyandam

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    • Manic Flying Cat (lvl. 50):¬†

      2160 HP

      14117 AP

      7430 DPS


      Kasa Jizo (lvl. 50)

      24300 HP

      10800 AP (32400/43200 against Angels and Blacks)

      3306 DPS

      Taking range out of the argument, Manic Flying seems like the most viable runner-up for those who don't have Kasa Jizo. Even as a generalist he clearly has the better stats for an offense unit (IMO) ie. due to the much better DPS and AP, but both the range and cost is definitely a balance to it.  You can argue that Jizo's massive damage is the "icing on the cake," but to me that's where he shines the most: his niche. Jizo really can't be replaced given that his spammibilty and moreover range is what makes him keeps his edge throughout the game. He does have peers that are close in surface stats like him, albeit very few.


      tl;dr: A f2p unit vs a (somewhat) p2w unit, your choice.

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    • nah, the thing IS the range. thats what makes kasa jizo so good. his high spammable ranged DPS. the range makes all the difference. not to mention its more expensive too. Not only that but just the health too kasa jizo can survive more hits. and works as its own meatshield and attacker in some stages. the only thing manic flying has is DPS, and that alone.

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    • Mitama's main bane are Tackies for the most part. Their DPS along with LD alone can easily kill her. But they're rarely encountered in heaps say for a few SoL levels. Furthermore, she can tank all the Nyandum variants easily, so that is obsolete given her resistance. Plus she's not¬†suppose to be a powerhouse tank, she's a backline support unit. The resistance to all the traited enemies is the true coup de gr√Ęce to her¬†abilities. It's quite silly to compare her and Jizo when they have literally nothing in common with one another. Mitama is unparalleled to any unit at all while the same ccould¬†be said about Jizo though this argument will keep on rambling I'm sure.

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    • The actual question should be:


      Is Kasa Jizo the best offensive unit?


      Answer: Yes; given all the discussed credentials.

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    • I dont get why everyone keeps trying to compare 2 very different cats either. i always compare damage to damage, support to support, tank to tank. thats like comparing divine kai to catman. or balaluga to zambony

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    • I believe that the reason we are comparing them is that someone thought jizo¬†was the best uber in the game... Mitama is the best uber in the game by far, so we had to compare them since somebody wasn't convinced... Jizo is probably the best midranger(baby gao¬†being very close), and as a bonus, he has a 2nd/3rd form with a lot of range and damage..¬† I would argue that Chronos is actually a bootleg replacement for mitama, although not near as good. But, chronos¬†is also an uber, Lil¬†nyandam¬†definitely doesn't work as a mitama¬†replacement, so there is no bootleg version of mitama¬†except one uber. Jizo can be replaced by any midranger¬†in the game, although¬†none of them are as good as him, you do have a lot of options: paris, camera, both legs, drama, and many more... If you are rolling in uberfest, which uber do you want the most? Mitama if you know much about the game... Replaceability matters because, if you can already fill some niche with your rares/srs/specials, you don't want the uber that is better in that niche, as much as you want something that can't be covered by an easier to acquire unit... On top of all this, mitama¬†carries more of the game, and is objectively better in many more levels than jizo... If we want to say jizo¬†is the best offensive unit, I believe that it would be gao¬†or jizo, and I would go for Gao since his 1st form is only slightly inferior, and his 2nd form is much better than jizo's 2nd/3rd...¬†

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    • Chronos is an uber. You will never have a boosted uber. Paris cat can easily be boosted to outperform/perform close to Kasa because it's a rare cat.

      Anyway defensive cats are far more important then offensive cats imo, cause no matter how much of an explosive dps you have, you will need to hold back the enemies for a staggering amount of time. Your offensive cats will just die if you cant hold the line. But if you have enough defense, mediocre dps will still get you through

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    • A level 50 Paris has over 1k DPS below Jizo's (lvl. 50), and ubers can be boosted with Catseys and dupes. The closest runnerup to Jizo is Manic Flying Cat, with more than two times the DPS. But the range of his is what makes it a hindrance in terms of a replacement for Jizo. That's not to say that you can't use Manic Flying but he's just a placeholder for those who don't have Jizo. And yes, defense is also the most important aspect of the game. But this discussion is about an offensive unit, not defense. Mitama (for sake of the context from the previous null comparisons)¬†is not meant for defense, only support which are¬†two different things, at least in this game it is.

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    • I'm talking about plus levels in Paris cat. You will get those dupe levels for her far easier then Kasa jizo and chronos. Until eventually Kasa gets outperformed by her as a generalist. Chronos will never really pass Mitama ever. The op just asks if Kasa is the best uber. I dont see where he specifies offensive category. Im pretty sure Mitama will give you far more defense then any other tank or defensive cat(excluding the standard meatshields) in the game. Doesnt matter if you categorize her as "support".

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    • Everyone knows Baby Mola is the best cat. Best tank with that amazing 1 HP. Boss murdering damage at 488. If you don't use Baby Mola, you're not playing the game right.

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    • Balaluga is obviously the best.

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:
      Chronos is an uber. You will never have a boosted uber. Paris cat can easily be boosted to outperform/perform close to Kasa because it's a rare cat.

      Anyway defensive cats are far more important then offensive cats imo, cause no matter how much of an explosive dps you have, you will need to hold back the enemies for a staggering amount of time. Your offensive cats will just die if you cant hold the line. But if you have enough defense, mediocre dps will still get you through

      Even boosted paris doesnt compare to a level 30 kasa jizo. let alone a level 50 one.

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    • Guardian Gamereon¬†(30):¬†

      197200 HP (788800, 986000 w/ ItF treasures against Black and Angels)

      Kai (30)

      96900 HP (387600/ 484500 against Floating) 

      ‚Äč‚Äč‚Äč‚Äč‚ÄčCAT-6 Siege Engine¬†(30)

      136000 HP (408000, 680000 w/ CotC treasures against Zombies),

      Mekako Salonji (30)

      96900 HP (387600/ 484500 against Aliens)

      Mitama the Oracle (30)

      29750 HP (11900/ 148750 against traited)



      Mitama does not out class the other tanks at all, she is support. Her resistance is just an additive but she's not used for defense at all. I didn't include the True Forms of those units, excluding CAT-6, because it's best to compare all their evolved forms to hers. Realistically, the f2p player would most likely have a max dupe of Paris at about 10 or so. Even then Jizo still outshines her very easily, but she's great in calamity stages and 4* restriction that's for sure. As  I already stated, Manic Flying, whom is a f2p unit, is the closest runner-up to Jizo. The range is poor to balance the sheer damage and DPS a single one can inflict for such a low cost.

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    • You're misinterpreting what I mean by "defense" with "tank". The main function of tank ubers is to hold off the enemy push, Mitama can hold them off better the any other uber with a high amount of hp. Thus she is the best defensive uber. Manic flying instantly dies cause of garbage range, doesnt matter hpw high of a dps you have if you just die before getting in range. Definitely not the closest alternative. Kasa has about a 800 dps advantage over paris cat. Shouldn't take that many levels to start performing close to Kasa. Paris also has a higher range.

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    • JadeRabbitJester wrote:
      Guardian Gamereon (30): 

      197200 HP (788800, 986000 w/ ItF treasures against Black and Angels)

      Kai (30)

      96900 HP (387600/ 484500 against Floating) 

      ‚Äč‚Äč‚Äč‚Äč‚ÄčCAT-6 Siege Engine¬†(30)

      136000 HP (408000, 680000 w/ CotC treasures against Zombies),

      Mekako Salonji (30)

      96900 HP (387600/ 484500 against Aliens)

      Mitama the Oracle (30)

      29750 HP (11900/ 148750 against traited)



      Mitama does not out class the other tanks at all, she is support. Her resistance is just an additive but she's not used for defense at all. I didn't include the True Forms of those units, excluding CAT-6, because it's best to compare all their evolved forms to hers. Realistically, the f2p player would most likely have a max dupe of Paris at about 10 or so. Even then Jizo still outshines her very easily, but she's great in calamity stages and 4* restriction that's for sure. As  I already stated, Manic Flying, whom is a f2p unit, is the closest runner-up to Jizo. The range is poor to balance the sheer damage and DPS a single one can inflict for such a low cost.

      divine kai has 193800  HP.

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:
      You're misinterpreting what I mean by "defense" with "tank". The main function of tank ubers is to hold off the enemy push, Mitama can hold them off better the any other uber with a high amount of hp. Thus she is the best defensive uber.

      Manic flying instantly dies cause of garbage range, doesnt matter hpw high of a dps you have if you just die before getting in range. Definitely not the closest alternative. Kasa has about a 800 dps advantage over paris cat. Shouldn't take that many levels to start performing close to Kasa. Paris also has a higher range.

      The higher range hardly becomes helpful. also Kasa jzio is cheaper. Paris must be at level 50+1 to actually start outclassing a level 30 kasa jizo, but only by not even 100 more. his lower cost still makes him better. and only at level 50+52 does paris start to outclass a level 50 kasa jizo. but you seem to forget

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:
      You're misinterpreting what I mean by "defense" with "tank". The main function of tank ubers is to hold off the enemy push, Mitama can hold them off better the any other uber with a high amount of hp. Thus she is the best defensive uber.

      Manic flying instantly dies cause of garbage range, doesnt matter hpw high of a dps you have if you just die before getting in range. Definitely not the closest alternative. Kasa has about a 800 dps advantage over paris cat. Shouldn't take that many levels to start performing close to Kasa. Paris also has a higher range.

      Also, defense would be a tank. you mean support. defense isnt just holding off the enemy, its being able to take a hit. Defense is always counted as how much someone can withstand before not being able to take anymore.

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    • now we're just having an argument¬†about definitions... This will be completely pointless unless you can agree on the meaning of terms...

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    • it depends on the situation.

      thats my response, now y'all fuck off

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    • Best cat is manic eraser tbh

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    • "Best Cat" and "Best Uber" are very different things after all, ubers don't have to be "best cat", maybe "strongest", but not best. Since ubers can't be used in 4 stars, I would¬† say that Cyborg, Ramen, Ururun, Mina and maybe others can be colled better than any uber, but this thread has been interpreted as "Best Uber" so far, so i think it should be treated as such even if it's not what it means.

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    • Yeah, when we say best we dont mean what is most often used. theirs a difference. its about what can help you beat stages

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:
      Muppetnecking wrote:
      You're misinterpreting what I mean by "defense" with "tank". The main function of tank ubers is to hold off the enemy push, Mitama can hold them off better the any other uber with a high amount of hp. Thus she is the best defensive uber.

      Manic flying instantly dies cause of garbage range, doesnt matter hpw high of a dps you have if you just die before getting in range. Definitely not the closest alternative. Kasa has about a 800 dps advantage over paris cat. Shouldn't take that many levels to start performing close to Kasa. Paris also has a higher range.

      The higher range hardly becomes helpful. also Kasa jzio is cheaper. Paris must be at level 50+1 to actually start outclassing a level 30 kasa jizo, but only by not even 100 more. his lower cost still makes him better. and only at level 50+52 does paris start to outclass a level 50 kasa jizo. but you seem to forget

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

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    • Killer cat is obviously the best because it cost the most.

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    • EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP, NO HE IS NOT.




      its nOne of them

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:
      Yeah, when we say best we dont mean what is most often used. theirs a difference. its about what can help you beat stages

      If Kasa gets the anti-zombie option from the future NP store(?), he'll for sure replace most of the anti-zombie units and a plethora of others since that's all he's lacking to be the quintessentail universal unit. 

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    • JadeRabbitJester wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  

      Yes, i have both Mitama and Kasa. The Battle cat gods has been very kind to me.

      Tackies are literally the only thing that counters her. You can replace tanks with her in any other stage. You shouldn't lose the merciless stage if you have bombercat and literally any anti black uber.Tanks are probably the most useless cats imo (atleast those that just have tons of hp). You are better off with spamming meatshields with massive damage ubers most of the time. Zombies can't really dps her down cause she will just be insantly knock backed and slow. I don't see angels killing her either.

      I never said she's a tank. I said she is a defensive cat that can do the job of tanks better then tanks.

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    • lol this is l o m g¬†

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:
      JadeRabbitJester wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  
      Yes, i have both Mitama and Kasa. The Battle cat gods has been very kind to me.

      Tackies are literally the only thing that counters her. You can replace tanks with her in any other stage. You shouldn't lose the merciless stage if you have bombercat and literally any anti black uber.Tanks are probably the most useless cats imo (atleast those that just have tons of hp). You are better off with spamming meatshields with massive damage ubers most of the time. Zombies can't really dps her down cause she will just be insantly knock backed and slow. I don't see angels killing her either.

      I never said she's a tank. I said she is a defensive cat that can do the job of tanks better then tanks.

      She has to be a tank to do the job of tanks.

      She doesnt tank, she supports. example. you can tank the face but you cant slow it. or something like camell where its much better to get a tank than to use a support cat. unless its freezing

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:
      JadeRabbitJester wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  
      Yes, i have both Mitama and Kasa. The Battle cat gods has been very kind to me.

      Tackies are literally the only thing that counters her. You can replace tanks with her in any other stage. You shouldn't lose the merciless stage if you have bombercat and literally any anti black uber.Tanks are probably the most useless cats imo (atleast those that just have tons of hp). You are better off with spamming meatshields with massive damage ubers most of the time. Zombies can't really dps her down cause she will just be insantly knock backed and slow. I don't see angels killing her either.

      I never said she's a tank. I said she is a defensive cat that can do the job of tanks better then tanks.

      tackies are the only counter.



      camell, sloth variants. nyandam variants. Master A variants. These are the type of enemies where slowing isnt useful.  not to mention they can still hit her. same with things like loris, or the relic mooth.

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    • So, mitama¬†is bad against whites and slow enemies with big range/LD... Thanks for the wonderful insight...¬† Now, can you tell me why jizo is better??

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    • because, spammable high ranged damage while acting like a meatshield. i would prefer that over a bit of slowing. especially when it can be substituted by other cats who do practically the same job against an enemy. there isnt really anything that can match kasa jizo at his job. cyborg cat isnt nearly the same.

      main thing is mitama is only better if the stage requires heavy support with tons of different enemies. but if it doesnt then kasa jizo ftw

      this is just my opinion though. you shouldnt really compare two cats with huge differences. comparing something like mitama to cronos or kasa jizo to sarukani makes sense. but these two play different roles completely

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:
      JadeRabbitJester wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  
      Yes, i have both Mitama and Kasa. The Battle cat gods has been very kind to me.

      Tackies are literally the only thing that counters her. You can replace tanks with her in any other stage. You shouldn't lose the merciless stage if you have bombercat and literally any anti black uber.Tanks are probably the most useless cats imo (atleast those that just have tons of hp). You are better off with spamming meatshields with massive damage ubers most of the time. Zombies can't really dps her down cause she will just be insantly knock backed and slow. I don't see angels killing her either.

      I never said she's a tank. I said she is a defensive cat that can do the job of tanks better then tanks.

      She has to be a tank to do the job of tanks.

      She doesnt tank, she supports. example. you can tank the face but you cant slow it. or something like camell where its much better to get a tank than to use a support cat. unless its freezing

      No she doesn't. Pin her and tanks against extremely high damage/fast moving characters. See who does better. There is literally no point in tanking the face. He attacks extremely slowly and everything in its range will die after his attacks regardless(excluding the tanks and high health cats). You can argue the face wouldnt get to nove after his bite, but then you remember he moves like a snail. And youre also assuming camels and faces will be in the battle field individually with out supporting enemies. Camels dont have the power to kill Mitama fast enough. Camels also utterly destroy jizo tbh.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:
      JadeRabbitJester wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  
      Yes, i have both Mitama and Kasa. The Battle cat gods has been very kind to me.

      Tackies are literally the only thing that counters her. You can replace tanks with her in any other stage. You shouldn't lose the merciless stage if you have bombercat and literally any anti black uber.Tanks are probably the most useless cats imo (atleast those that just have tons of hp). You are better off with spamming meatshields with massive damage ubers most of the time. Zombies can't really dps her down cause she will just be insantly knock backed and slow. I don't see angels killing her either.

      I never said she's a tank. I said she is a defensive cat that can do the job of tanks better then tanks.

      tackies are the only counter.



      camell, sloth variants. nyandam variants. Master A variants. These are the type of enemies where slowing isnt useful.  not to mention they can still hit her. same with things like loris, or the relic mooth.

      Every single one of em destroys Jizo. Slowing is always useful as you have a cluster of different types of enemies. Also her long distance lets her hit a huge amount of enemies. Mitama also has the health to survive. Even then none of em can hit her once she gets knocked back cause of this long distance.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote: because, spammable high ranged damage while acting like a meatshield. i would prefer that over a bit of slowing. especially when it can be substituted by other cats who do practically the same job against an enemy. there isnt really anything that can match kasa jizo at his job. cyborg cat isnt nearly the same.

      main thing is mitama is only better if the stage requires heavy support with tons of different enemies. but if it doesnt then kasa jizo ftw

      this is just my opinion though. you shouldnt really compare two cats with huge differences. comparing something like mitama to cronos or kasa jizo to sarukani makes sense. but these two play different roles completely

      I already argued why Cyborg cat is a legitimate substitute while Mitama has none. You didn't respond to that bit. Don't backtrack when arguing with other people.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote: because, spammable high ranged damage while acting like a meatshield. i would prefer that over a bit of slowing. especially when it can be substituted by other cats who do practically the same job against an enemy. there isnt really anything that can match kasa jizo at his job. cyborg cat isnt nearly the same.

      main thing is mitama is only better if the stage requires heavy support with tons of different enemies. but if it doesnt then kasa jizo ftw

      this is just my opinion though. you shouldnt really compare two cats with huge differences. comparing something like mitama to cronos or kasa jizo to sarukani makes sense. but these two play different roles completely

      Yea, comparing cats in two different categories doesn't make much sense, unless you wanna determine what the best Uber is.. I argue for mitama being 1st, Gao 2nd, and jizo 3rd, so if you wanna argue cats of similar categories, Jizo vs. Gao.. I have never actually heard someone say that jizo is less replaceable than mitama, you have chronos, cyberpunk, and uh, anything else? LD semi-permaslow with absurd survivablity is pretty unique... Jizo is a very good midranger, but there are *quite* a few options: Paris, camera, M/regular flying, Saru for zombies, Mlegs, ritual for reds, dragons, chill, baby gao, D'Artanyan, you get the idea... None of them are better in general compared to jizo except maybe baby gao, but they are all options, and most are much easier to acquire than jizo...

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:

      Ka$aJ1zo wrote: because, spammable high ranged damage while acting like a meatshield. i would prefer that over a bit of slowing. especially when it can be substituted by other cats who do practically the same job against an enemy. there isnt really anything that can match kasa jizo at his job. cyborg cat isnt nearly the same.

      main thing is mitama is only better if the stage requires heavy support with tons of different enemies. but if it doesnt then kasa jizo ftw

      this is just my opinion though. you shouldnt really compare two cats with huge differences. comparing something like mitama to cronos or kasa jizo to sarukani makes sense. but these two play different roles completely

      I already argued why Cyborg cat is a legitimate substitute while Mitama has none. You didn't respond to that bit. Don't backtrack when arguing with other people.

      mitama has none? lets see. chronos, sanzo against floating, Bodhisattva against floating, li'l nyandam TF(oooh thats no gacha),  balaluga, asiluga.  just about anything with slow against an enemy. Do they do as good as a job? not all of them though some of them better. though, but its enough to substitute. while cyborg doesnt do nearly as much damage, DPS and cost more. it isnt nearly as good either, and thats just in general. Im no longer gonna argue which is better. the play two complete different roles. Its idiotic to actually argue about them, thats like saying balaluga vs kai

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    • and slowing is pretty much useless against long range enemies. the only time slowing is actually useful is when the enemy is short range or really fast. otherwise it isnt.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Ka$aJ1zo wrote: because, spammable high ranged damage while acting like a meatshield. i would prefer that over a bit of slowing. especially when it can be substituted by other cats who do practically the same job against an enemy. there isnt really anything that can match kasa jizo at his job. cyborg cat isnt nearly the same.

      main thing is mitama is only better if the stage requires heavy support with tons of different enemies. but if it doesnt then kasa jizo ftw

      this is just my opinion though. you shouldnt really compare two cats with huge differences. comparing something like mitama to cronos or kasa jizo to sarukani makes sense. but these two play different roles completely

      I already argued why Cyborg cat is a legitimate substitute while Mitama has none. You didn't respond to that bit. Don't backtrack when arguing with other people.

      mitama has none? lets see. chronos, sanzo against floating, Bodhisattva against floating, li'l nyandam TF(oooh thats no gacha),  balaluga, asiluga.  just about anything with slow against an enemy. Do they do as good as a job? not all of them though some of them better. though, but its enough to substitute. while cyborg doesnt do nearly as much damage, DPS and cost more. it isnt nearly as good either, and thats just in general. Im no longer gonna argue which is better. the play two complete different roles. Its idiotic to actually argue about them, thats like saying balaluga vs kai

      Exactly shes like 7 cats mixed into one, with fast attack rate, perma slow, long distance, extremely high health No one else has that, "Balaliga" "asiluga"lmao just...no. Already said why Cyborg will only be a couple hundred dps behind Kasa most of the time which will amount to waiting a couple seconds longer in the battle field, higher range means she can safely kill some enemies that Kasa can't. 150 more cost doesnt matter in the least, she also has a lower cool down.

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    • Well, that'd be nice

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote: Well, that'd be nice

      Yes that’d be nice

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    • Bobsaysbob wrote:

      LemonCakeDude wrote: Well, that'd be nice

      Yes that’d be nice

      Very nice indeed

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    • Muppetnecking wrote:

      Ka$aJ1zo wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:
      JadeRabbitJester wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  
      Yes, i have both Mitama and Kasa. The Battle cat gods has been very kind to me.

      Tackies are literally the only thing that counters her. You can replace tanks with her in any other stage. You shouldn't lose the merciless stage if you have bombercat and literally any anti black uber.Tanks are probably the most useless cats imo (atleast those that just have tons of hp). You are better off with spamming meatshields with massive damage ubers most of the time. Zombies can't really dps her down cause she will just be insantly knock backed and slow. I don't see angels killing her either.

      I never said she's a tank. I said she is a defensive cat that can do the job of tanks better then tanks.

      She has to be a tank to do the job of tanks.

      She doesnt tank, she supports. example. you can tank the face but you cant slow it. or something like camell where its much better to get a tank than to use a support cat. unless its freezing

      No she doesn't. Pin her and tanks against extremely high damage/fast moving characters. See who does better.

      There is literally no point in tanking the face. He attacks extremely slowly and everything in its range will die after his attacks regardless(excluding the tanks and high health cats). You can argue the face wouldnt get to nove after his bite, but then you remember he moves like a snail. And youre also assuming camels and faces will be in the battle field individually with out supporting enemies. Camels dont have the power to kill Mitama fast enough. Camels also utterly destroy jizo tbh.

      All of camelle's variants kill her quickly, especially Zamelle and normal Camelle. True you don't need tanks for most (excluding Lowkey) face variants, but jizo is still the most versatile over mitama. Reason? Use against traited enemies. He is the epitome of great generalist. 

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    • i think she may be a bit overrated. shes good yes. very but can easily be overrun. people make it like you bring her in a level and you cant lose. but she doesnt always carry. the combination of different enemies can get her a lot.

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    • Can‚Äôt forget the most threatening enemies are the fast pushers, which is exactly where Mitama excels. When you have Mitama, these are never problems. And she‚Äôs not neccesarily ‚Äúreplaceable‚ÄĚ by Sanzo for example. For one, Sanzo is anti-one trait, Mitama is all around except white. And she‚Äôs also next to immortal. Elder sloth killing Sanzo stack in TatM? Mitama just gets KB‚Äôd and continues her job of slowing. Don‚Äôt forget due to backswing mechanics upon KB she attacks instantly again. Another point, her absurd LD. She reaches to 650, slowing a large group of things at once. And if something reaches her blindspot, she can be knocked back, reslow, and keep your army fighting.

      On the topic of ranged enemies, let’s take Nyandam for this example, she still works better than you would think. If there is any support the nyandam has, then she can take care of the support without dying to nyandam, and she may even be helped in a way due to her backswing mechanics.

      Now, not saying she’s better than jizo, as I’ve stated in the past I see them equal. Having both hypermaxed - soon ultramaxed, I find myself using either one just about equally as much. Being incredibly different cats, they are hard to compare and are good in their own respective rights. I just think you are really undermining Mitama’s effect on the battlefield. This doesn’t mean all stages, you wouldn’t bring her to NRF or Queen B (obviously), but where she counts, she counts a lot.

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    • she is replacable, im not talking about against everything no, but i mean against specific situations. like against bun bun replace mtiama with sanzo. or against red replace with magica. or against blacks bomber cat.the only time she cant really be replaced is with multiple enemies but you can substitute with balaluga. maybe asiluga

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    • im not comparing the two anymore, just debating some pros and cons of the cats being talked about, how about we move from this topic considering this will pretty much go on forever

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    • JadeRabbitJester wrote:
      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Ka$aJ1zo wrote:



      Muppetnecking wrote:
      JadeRabbitJester wrote:

      Muppetnecking wrote:

      Actually the higher range lets cyborg outrange some enemies that Kasa can't. 150$ more cost is nothing, cyborg also has a lower cooldown. It's not that i forgot but its that i'm not trying to argue that Cyborg outclasses Kasa but that Cyborg will come close almost all of the time. You will always have a massive plus level advantage for rares over ubers. And a couple hundred dps advantage over a rare cat doesn't warrent it being the best uber. The difference between using Kasa and Cyborg is having to wait a couple seconds longer (depending on the plus levels).

      "defense is about being able to take a hit" why do you need to take a hit? "to hold off enemies" right? And who can do that infinitely better then anyone? Doesn't really matter how you define it. Mitama still bitchslaps any tanky uber.

      Do you even have Mitama, or are you just going by the stats table on her page? I have her, Gamereon and Siege Six. She cannot replace them in their respective role. I've used her and Gamereon in Merciless XP (for an example) and she made me lose due to the Tackies killing her quickly. I replaced her with another tank, Keiji and won with ease and that's been my XP loadout since then say for a few other units. Daboo of the dead? Can't say for sure but I know Siege Six saved me quite a bit and I can already see the zombies and angels causing havoc on her very easily. I know much better players can utilize her way more in their loadouts than I but I think the universal consesus of whom owns her will agree she's a support unit, not a tank. You can argue that they both mean the same, and they do in other games but not this one. She's a support unit given her abilities and decent health for an uber (including her resistance to all traited).  
      Yes, i have both Mitama and Kasa. The Battle cat gods has been very kind to me.

      Tackies are literally the only thing that counters her. You can replace tanks with her in any other stage. You shouldn't lose the merciless stage if you have bombercat and literally any anti black uber.Tanks are probably the most useless cats imo (atleast those that just have tons of hp). You are better off with spamming meatshields with massive damage ubers most of the time. Zombies can't really dps her down cause she will just be insantly knock backed and slow. I don't see angels killing her either.

      I never said she's a tank. I said she is a defensive cat that can do the job of tanks better then tanks.

      She has to be a tank to do the job of tanks.

      She doesnt tank, she supports. example. you can tank the face but you cant slow it. or something like camell where its much better to get a tank than to use a support cat. unless its freezing

      No she doesn't. Pin her and tanks against extremely high damage/fast moving characters. See who does better.

      There is literally no point in tanking the face. He attacks extremely slowly and everything in its range will die after his attacks regardless(excluding the tanks and high health cats). You can argue the face wouldnt get to nove after his bite, but then you remember he moves like a snail. And youre also assuming camels and faces will be in the battle field individually with out supporting enemies. Camels dont have the power to kill Mitama fast enough. Camels also utterly destroy jizo tbh.

      All of camelle's variants kill her quickly, especially Zamelle and normal Camelle. True you don't need tanks for most (excluding Lowkey) face variants, but jizo is still the most versatile over mitama. Reason? Use against traited enemies. He is the epitome of great generalist. 

      All of the Camelle variants beat the life out of Kasa jizo. Zamelle takes like 25 hits to kill her. it's your fault if you let get hit that much through all the knock backs Except Kasa is alot more easily replaced. Having a a couple hundred dps advantage isn't anywhere near what Mitama brings to the table. Kasa also has no use against metal. I guess you didn't consder that when calling him the epitome of great generalist 

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:
      she is replacable, im not talking about against everything no, but i mean against specific situations. like against bun bun replace mtiama with sanzo. or against red replace with magica. or against blacks bomber cat.the only time she cant really be replaced is with multiple enemies but you can substitute with balaluga. maybe asiluga

      im pretty sure any "massive damage"  or "stong against" cat can can replace Kasa against specific traits( except black and angels of course) . Sanjo is single target, shit attack, shit range, shit slow chance. dunno what magica and mitama has in common. Balaluga has shit health and attack, attacks every 16 seconds and doesn't have the long distance aoe(meaning only the frontline is getting hit). Asiluga is more or less the same.

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    • not really, there actually arent many strong against or massive damage attackers with enough range to be useful a lot. Im beginnning to think you dont even have kasa jizo. the only strong or massive damage with aoe and enough range is camerman, slap stick cats and drone. those are the only ones who have the suitable stats that could slightly substitute, but jizo heavily outclasses all 3 of those. camerman mostly because the range isnt that high, slap stick cat isnt as spammable, and drone is basically kasa jizo but worse while being slightly better against reds.

      Ring girl cat isnt as spammable, and is too slow to really be an actual substitute.



      also sanjo has area attack, the "shit slow chance" isnt actually shit considering it attacks fast and is stackable.



      balaluga has really long range, it doesnt need health and attack, because of its range, you dont usually use mitama as an attacker, we are talking about supportwise, attacks every 16 seconds sure but he freezes for 3 and weakens for 6, only 10 seconds where it isnt effective, im not saying hes as good but you can use him instead if you dont have mitama and it still works out fine.

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    • Even against specific traits most cats dont really have what it takes to do the job like kasa jizo does. the things that make kasa jizo are his good damage, spammability,Aoe and range.yeah lots of other cats have around his DPS or higher, but they dont have the range or area attack to help get them that extra bit closer to what makes kasa jizo so great. hes got a good balance of those very needed traits. most cats only have a few of them, but it takes all 4 to actually be good. and his health usually allows him to take a hit or two. like on floor 27 for example. spam him and ms haka cant get close because of the damage. or on stages with shockwave enemies like kory or twocan, his damage¬† and range prevents them from getting close enough to do a leathal shockwave.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:
      not really, there actually arent many strong against or massive damage attackers with enough range to be useful a lot. Im beginnning to think you dont even have kasa jizo. the only strong or massive damage with aoe and enough range is camerman, slap stick cats and drone. those are the only ones who have the suitable stats that could slightly substitute, but jizo heavily outclasses all 3 of those. camerman mostly because the range isnt that high, slap stick cat isnt as spammable, and drone is basically kasa jizo but worse while being slightly better against reds.

      Ring girl cat isnt as spammable, and is too slow to really be an actual substitute.



      also sanjo has area attack, the "shit slow chance" isnt actually shit considering it attacks fast and is stackable.



      balaluga has really long range, it doesnt need health and attack, because of its range, you dont usually use mitama as an attacker, we are talking about supportwise, attacks every 16 seconds sure but he freezes for 3 and weakens for 6, only 10 seconds where it isnt effective, im not saying hes as good but you can use him instead if you dont have mitama and it still works out fine.

      Oof i meant massive damage and "strong against" uber cats can replace him. sorry about that. lol do i need to post a picture of my kasa jizo?

      Sanjo is a garbage cat with a mere 20% chance to freeze every one sec, shitty 250 range and will always get instantly run over before getting the slow off. The fact that you are comparing this cat to Mitama of all cats is hilarious. Just use her first form if you love spammable cats that much. Get outta here with this garbage

      We aren't talking supportwise, we are talking about all of the qualities of each cat. Mitamas got that crazed bahamut level damage with a massive aoe. 10 secs is a very veeeeery long time my friend, the most useful part of his attack is only lasts for 3 secs, Oh theres also that freakishly long recharge time. You are willing to say that Balaluga is an actual substitute for Mitama. But for some a reason a plus leveled Cyborg cat being a substitute for Kasa is completely out of the question for some reason.

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    • the only cat that can even begin to substitute is sarukani, but his stats arent enough. and no, no cat can actually "replace" him even in the slightest, only one that could probably is like a 50+80 cyborg.

      also mitama's damage is nowhere near crazed bahamuts, he does 85k, she does 21k, DPS maybe but thats nothing to be proud of considering he has low DPS. also 20% chance to slow, thats not bad when you can easily stack him, not to mention he attacks fast, its not just about the chance, thats why hurricat gets off more criticals than cheerleader, lower chance but faster attack. its actually not garbage. you seem to be an uber carry person judging from how you look at sanzo. you didnt even spell the name right.

      also li'l nyandam, can actual substitute, is he as good? no. but 50% slow with his range is a pretty good substitute. chronos can actually replace(not outclass though) There are times when you want to use her over mitama.



      sanzo can solo day of judgement, because his slow ability is actually good. against bun bun or white cyclone its much better than mitama, perma slow while mitama has about 2 seconds where they arent slowed. that can be a big difference.

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    • My favorite cat is manic eraser.

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    • So i got tired of the same regurgitated argument. so i actually calculated their damage. A level 50+30 Cyborg cat should have around 3200¬†dps. A level 50 Kasa Jizo should have like 3272 dps. A furthur hyper maxed Cyborg will surpass Kasa. Oddly enough Cyborg has more health then Kasa¬†by that level.

      Obvious i was talking about the same dps lol. it's a 20% chance. It's complete rng on whether or not it will proc. You could have it proc every attack or you could have it never proc and get run over. That along with a low range means he has way too many flaws to actually be good. Nah, just don't like rng cats that much. Sanzo is the most rng it gets.

      Nyandam attacks every 11 secs with a 50% slow chance, get outta here with that shit. Chronos also attacks every 10 secs. She admittedly has a huge aoe but with the pretty short freeze and huge gaps between attacks prevents her from being a anti pushing god like mitama.

      i'm pretty sure i just spammed Necro dancer cat and swimmer cat on that level. You're assuming your stack of sanzo will actually grow big enough to perma slow and not just die one by one as you send them out one by one. Mitamas down time is more lik 1.67 secs with out any buffs to her slow.

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    • sanzo is actually very good lol, idk what kind of experiences you've had with him muppet, but he's the 4th or 5th best rare cat, destroys bunbuns¬†and cyclones early-midgame, then lil buns, brollows if you want, and other stuff lategame...

      Jizo is much more replaceable than mitama... for floatings you have camera, dart, and baby gao, for reds you have cancan, momo 1st form, baby gao, dart, and some less viable options, for black you have pizza, baby gao, and dart, for angels you have momo, saru,  baby gao, and dart, though jizo is the best for these last 2 categories there are still replacements, for relics you have slapstick, baby gao, and dart, for white as well as an alternative general midranger option you have paris, dragons, MML, and the GOAT midranger SV-001, for aliens you have baby gao, dart, chill, macho legs, and seafarer, and for zombies you have saru, hijiri, lil flying, and archer... Only two of these are even arguably superior to jizo in general use(baby gao and dart), but I use camera over jizo for floatings, cancan or momo for reds, and slapstick for relics.. Jizo is definitely worthy of the title 3rd best uber in the game, and is probably the best midranger... For mitama, you have things like sanzo for floating, gunslinger for relics (8.1 talent), witch/icat for reds, psycho/seafarer for aliens, juliet for angels, bomber for black, kaguya/poisedon/puppet for metals, and she can't hit whites, but cyberpunk/asi/Dmitama can... But, none of these remove mitama's use in that niche, like camera and slapstick do for jizo. Icat/bomber are too shortranged in some situations, if the backline is something other than hackey/tackey.. her 75% semi-permaslow is much better than any other anti angel, alien, zombie, metal, or relic unless they are stacked, and she has that LD, is useful on stages with every type of enemy, and has the best survabiltity in the game (shishi is kinda close, then babel and gammy beat her in their niche)... If somehow you haven't gotten it, she has above average dps for an uber (4.2k), wave immune, 150k hp to traited, huge LD, and 100% backswing... Chronos is pretty good, but is basically just a downgraded version of her with more standing range.. I would prefer if we could switch the topic to something that makes sense - Gao vs. Jizo, and will avoid continuing to debate this with any of you unless I hear something astronomically idiotic that I have to respond to...

      Now then, Gao is better than Jizo, change my mind.

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      sanzo is actually very good lol, idk what kind of experiences you've had with him muppet, but he's the 4th or 5th best rare cat, destroys bunbuns and cyclones early-midgame, then lil buns, brollows if you want, and other stuff lategame...

      Jizo is much more replaceable than mitama... for floatings you have camera, dart, and baby gao, for reds you have cancan, momo 1st form, baby gao, dart, and some less viable options, for black you have pizza, baby gao, and dart, for angels you have momo, saru,  baby gao, and dart, though jizo is the best for these last 2 categories there are still replacements, for relics you have slapstick, baby gao, and dart, for white as well as an alternative general midranger option you have paris, dragons, MML, and the GOAT midranger SV-001, for aliens you have baby gao, dart, chill, macho legs, and seafarer, and for zombies you have saru, hijiri, lil flying, and archer... Only two of these are even arguably superior to jizo in general use(baby gao and dart), but I use camera over jizo for floatings, cancan or momo for reds, and slapstick for relics.. Jizo is definitely worthy of the title 3rd best uber in the game, and is probably the best midranger... For mitama, you have things like sanzo for floating, gunslinger for relics (8.1 talent), witch/icat for reds, psycho/seafarer for aliens, juliet for angels, bomber for black, kaguya/poisedon/puppet for metals, and she can't hit whites, but cyberpunk/asi/Dmitama can... But, none of these remove mitama's use in that niche, like camera and slapstick do for jizo. Icat/bomber are too shortranged in some situations, if the backline is something other than hackey/tackey.. her 75% semi-permaslow is much better than any other anti angel, alien, zombie, metal, or relic unless they are stacked, and she has that LD, is useful on stages with every type of enemy, and has the best survabiltity in the game (shishi is kinda close, then babel and gammy beat her in their niche)... If somehow you haven't gotten it, she has above average dps for an uber (4.2k), wave immune, 150k hp to traited, huge LD, and 100% backswing... Chronos is pretty good, but is basically just a downgraded version of her with more standing range.. I would prefer if we could switch the topic to something that makes sense - Gao vs. Jizo, and will avoid continuing to debate this with any of you unless I hear something astronomically idiotic that I have to respond to...

      Now then, Gao is better than Jizo, change my mind.

      a substitute doesnt mean replacable, also. the main thing about jizo is his range, there are a lot of cats with similar or better stats, but his range allows him to be a generalist. and we are talking about what you can use as a generalist over jizo or mitama. because against any type of enemy you can use another cat with abilities against that trait to be better.

      so lets go on about in general, instead of specific traits.

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      sanzo is actually very good lol, idk what kind of experiences you've had with him muppet, but he's the 4th or 5th best rare cat, destroys bunbuns and cyclones early-midgame, then lil buns, brollows if you want, and other stuff lategame...

      Jizo is much more replaceable than mitama... for floatings you have camera, dart, and baby gao, for reds you have cancan, momo 1st form, baby gao, dart, and some less viable options, for black you have pizza, baby gao, and dart, for angels you have momo, saru,  baby gao, and dart, though jizo is the best for these last 2 categories there are still replacements, for relics you have slapstick, baby gao, and dart, for white as well as an alternative general midranger option you have paris, dragons, MML, and the GOAT midranger SV-001, for aliens you have baby gao, dart, chill, macho legs, and seafarer, and for zombies you have saru, hijiri, lil flying, and archer... Only two of these are even arguably superior to jizo in general use(baby gao and dart), but I use camera over jizo for floatings, cancan or momo for reds, and slapstick for relics.. Jizo is definitely worthy of the title 3rd best uber in the game, and is probably the best midranger... For mitama, you have things like sanzo for floating, gunslinger for relics (8.1 talent), witch/icat for reds, psycho/seafarer for aliens, juliet for angels, bomber for black, kaguya/poisedon/puppet for metals, and she can't hit whites, but cyberpunk/asi/Dmitama can... But, none of these remove mitama's use in that niche, like camera and slapstick do for jizo. Icat/bomber are too shortranged in some situations, if the backline is something other than hackey/tackey.. her 75% semi-permaslow is much better than any other anti angel, alien, zombie, metal, or relic unless they are stacked, and she has that LD, is useful on stages with every type of enemy, and has the best survabiltity in the game (shishi is kinda close, then babel and gammy beat her in their niche)... If somehow you haven't gotten it, she has above average dps for an uber (4.2k), wave immune, 150k hp to traited, huge LD, and 100% backswing... Chronos is pretty good, but is basically just a downgraded version of her with more standing range.. I would prefer if we could switch the topic to something that makes sense - Gao vs. Jizo, and will avoid continuing to debate this with any of you unless I hear something astronomically idiotic that I have to respond to...

      Now then, Gao is better than Jizo, change my mind.

      2nd for gao vs jizo, not even a chance. jizo outclasses by far considering gao is only an average or maybe slight above average generalist



      first form gao vs jizo is an actual debate. he has higher stats all around, but isnt as spammable, and doesnt have as much range.



      gao mainly outclasses jizo hp and damagewise against floating, reds, aliens, and



      jizo outclasses against traitless, and HEAVILY outclasses against blacks, and angels.

      they both are about the same against zombies, relics and metal

      considering jizo can be spammed more i would give him the edge, also yes zombies and relics are traited. zombies need a zombie killer to properly be dealt with,(though he can be used as a ranged meatshield a lot better because of recharge) and relics have curse. jizo also outranges more relic enemies than gao(even if its only by one)



      if i would give a rating out of 10, saying for instance if kasa jizo was a 10, gao would come in at an 8



      the main reasons are

      1. spammability, he is a lot more spammable, gao has a better survivability though so that gives kasa jizo only a slight edge in this matter mainly because he can actually tank some hits from lower damage dealing enemies. this also allows kasa jizo to be a viable ranged meatshield against zombies that like to burrow.

      2.lower cost(yes 150 difference isnt much but thats still makes a difference in certain stages where you are tight for cash)

      3. that 10 extra range. almost nothing except for the fact that there are few enemies with 310 - 320 range. so hardly and edge

      and 4, considering how heavily he has an edge against black and angels which is a lot difference than gao's slight edge against reds aliens and floating.

      5. movement speed. kasa jizo is much faster. so he can get to the frontlines quickly

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    • I'm not just talking about 1st form vs. 1st form... Gao's 2nd form definitely isn't an average generalist (like jizo's 3rd form), it has over 9k dps ¬†to traited ¬†(5.4k to white0, 490 range, 115k hp to traited ¬†(65k to white), 4 KBs, 1.25s attack animation, wave immune, 5% crit chance, 150s cooldown, and an above average although not terrible cost of 6k... Idk what kind of "average generalists' you have, but gao¬†is handily the best generalist uber in the game (closest behind him are lil valk, sgao, armageddon, ama, and shishi¬†incase you wanna contest this point)... Would you rather have jizo or gao? Since¬†jizo¬†1st form is only a little better than baby gao, and mighty lord is far superior to mega-castle, can you agree that gao is better to have than jizo??

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    • can y'all stfu and stop raping my notifications

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    • We can

      But we won’t

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      I'm not just talking about 1st form vs. 1st form... Gao's 2nd form definitely isn't an average generalist (like jizo's 3rd form), it has over 9k dps  to traited  (5.4k to white0, 490 range, 115k hp to traited  (65k to white), 4 KBs, 1.25s attack animation, wave immune, 5% crit chance, 150s cooldown, and an above average although not terrible cost of 6k... Idk what kind of "average generalists' you have, but gao is handily the best generalist uber in the game (closest behind him are lil valk, sgao, armageddon, ama, and shishi incase you wanna contest this point)... Would you rather have jizo or gao? Since jizo 1st form is only a little better than baby gao, and mighty lord is far superior to mega-castle, can you agree that gao is better to have than jizo??

      gao isnt better than jizo. not at all. second form gao is more useful than first form gao sure, but it falls between first form jizo and first form gao. also that is an average generalist, most things are bad at being a generalist, and a average generalist would usually fair pretty well under most circumstances and have around 10k DPS. thats why i put him at average, maybe slightly above. you havent given any reasons to why hes actually better. all you did was list some stats. you didnt compare anything. also far superior to mega castle? they play pretty different roles, yes they are both damaging but mega castle is more of a nuke, gao is good yes, but this isnt even an argument of whether or not he is better than jizo.


      first form gao compares better to first form jizo because they are similar. jizo is better than first form gao though because of spammability. and mighty lord gao is better than first form gao. but jizo still outclasses. especially the higher you level him up because the gap increases due to jizo's spammability.

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    • 9000 DPS with150s recharge vs 2000 DPS with 4 second recharge, in 20 seconds its already outclassed the other.

      all it takes is 5 kasa jizos to beat gao's DPS in 2nd form.

      not to mention kasa jizo's third form who has more range than mighty lord gao

      mighty lord gao has 470 range

      mega castle has 485

      also lil valkyrie plays differently than gao, she can be compared to awakened bahamut.i would much rather her over gao because she has 11465  DPS against everything but metal even traitless. immune to everything. and a 51 second recharge. she can be summoned 3x as fast as gao. not to mention she only cost 4200, while gao cost 6000.

      and 9k DPS against everything really isnt great at all. its actually pretty bad when its against EVERYTHING. the thing is like an example. thundia, windy, catman, aphrodite and some others have more DPS against what they are good against, and you use them in a level and can still lose. if gao had like 13k against everything  at level 30 then i could understand. but 9k when only average DPS is the best you can do, its kinda bad

      this is from late game experience

      gao may seem really good when you are mid game or something or early game, but when you get to the harder stages like subchapter 30 and above or something, then thats not gonna cut it.

      gao at level 50 has 14859  DPS. thats still pretty eh late game, most stages arent gonna have a mix of like 4 different traits, and even when they do its usually peons. lil valk has about 18k DPS at level 50 kasa jizo has 3.3k DPS



      when most people use him they usually get about 10 or more kasa jizos. which is 33k DPS or more. That is the reason why so many like him so much

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    • Cyborg sucks as a subsitute for jizo. Her attack rate is awful compared to her mediocre damage and a stack of her is too costly to balance out her important shortcomings. Cameraman is a much better generalist than her, especially in calamity. Cyborg gets way too much hype for what she lacks in a subtle way. Plus you are more likely to get jizo from the respectful pool/s as opposed to dupes of cyborg that would barely dent jizos outstanding use.

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    • Gao is just an uber that dazzles players collection. If I get an uber with such minute odds of acquiring, I expect good profit. But that dps is very disgusting, especially since he's an uber.

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    • We have a new competitor for Jizo - at least against angels, new legend uber ultra soul

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    • against angels the new legend ultra souls easily outclasses jizo. against everything else however, jizo still has the edge,

      reason 250 range vs 320

      6.2 second recharge vs 4.2 second recharge

      2 knockbacks vs 3 knockbacks

      825 cost vs 750 cost

      12 movement speed vs 14 movement speed

      literally the only thing the new uber outclasses in is raw power. where it has more hp and damage

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    • JadeRabbitJester wrote:
      Gao is just an uber that dazzles players collection. If I get an uber with such minute odds of acquiring, I expect good profit. But that dps is very disgusting, especially since he's an uber.

      what you said is true, i just didnt want to say it like that because most people usually just get angry and ignore all reasoning.

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    • JadeRabbitJester wrote: Cyborg sucks as a subsitute for jizo. Her attack rate is awful compared to her mediocre damage and a stack of her is too costly to balance out her important shortcomings. Cameraman is a much better generalist than her, especially in calamity. Cyborg gets way too much hype for what she lacks in a subtle way. Plus you are more likely to get jizo from the respectful pool/s as opposed to dupes of cyborg that would barely dent jizos outstanding use.

      "Attack rate sucks compared to hee mediocre damage" we already calced her dps. So this is irrelevant. Just dont spam her if youre having money problems lol. Cameraman also has 250 range. If you wanna spend 1500 cat food pulling for jizo dupes like a complete idiot, be my guest

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    • It actually takes a lot of focus to not spam Paris, and that can detract from concentration in the battle. 150 adds up as you stack, so the cost difference does matter.

      Camera has very low cost, very high dps and similar HP. is superior to paris in all except range, only use Paris if you need the ranfe Camera doesn’t have.

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    • Okay, so since you apparently have no concept of an average generalist, lemme lay it out for you... Zeus has 5.4k dps¬†to every type, beating gao¬†by 200 against white and losing by over 3k against everything else, gao has twice the kbs, gao¬†has 50k more hp to everything but angel and white, they are equal against white and zeus has way more hp to angel, zeus¬†does have 10 more range and 1200 less cost, but also has a 1s longer attack animation and 15s longer cooldown...

      Vars has around 4k dps less to everything except white, which he has 400 more against, vars has 40k less hp against traited and 10k more to white, gao has 1 more kb, vars has 10 less range, vars is 400 cheaper, and has 50% kb/slow to black...

      I didn't even add the fact that gao has wave immune and a 5% crit chance... Gao is still better than lil valk, sure she has 2k more dps to traited and 6k to white, costs 1800 less, and she has 1/3 of the cooldown, but gao has over 3x the hp to traited, almost double the hp to white, twice as many kbs, 125 more range, and doesn't suicide due to high speed and lack of backswing, on top of all that, he has a 1st form that's an amazing midranger... I love cherrypicking sooo much ;)....

      lil valk is supposed to be more of a generalist uber than a suicide unit, she has much more range than yuki/maglev/a baha/citc, and doesn't instantly attack again after a kb like a baha/yuki... She is actually closer to a short ranged generalist like keiji, except she has that amazing dps instead of his tankiness...

      The average dps for an uber is between 4-5k, so 9k is indeed amazing, you argued that jizo is better than gao because after being stacked he has more dps, wouldn't paris be much better then? she has 1.3k dps and a recharge of 2.53s, and jizo has 2.1k dps with a 4.2s recharge.. With these stats, after 32s, the paris stack would be dealing more damage than the jizo stack from 30 more range, of course this would be extremely expensive, but it's quite doable..

      I did this just to show that yea, fast cooldown midrangers are gonna have more dps than any uber when stacked, but that doesn't make backline ubers bad, we use them all the time, and they do a lot for us... It's almost like battle cats has a limit to how many units we can have on the field, being able to outrange many more things is important, and those 20s of having more dps actually makes a difference... 

      Did you argue that Jizo's tf is around as good as mightly lord gao?? Because if you think that 9k dps is bad, mega castle only has 6k, and less than 2k dps if his 3rd attack misses (which isn't uncommon due to the multihit), he does have 24k dps to angel and black (6k if he misses the third attack), more hp against whites, and 15 more range, but gao has 2 more kbs, double the speed, and a much shorter attack animation, as well as more dps, wave immune, and crit chance..

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    • oh yea, camera is definitely superior to cyborg unless it's against an enemy that outranges him, and a better overall unit..

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    • If you can't deploy Cyborgs based on your money, then thats on you, it's not a downside of the cat. The extra Cyborg cats you get because of the lower cd also stack up. There's a 100 range difference, the extra damage isn't worth it at all.



      Also, Gao pretty good, dunno what y'all talking about. A level 50 Baby Gao has 3.4k dps vs non-traits. And 6.3k dps vs traits. Nearly double of Kasa's 3.3k dps. There's also the extra usefulness of his evolved form.

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    • that IS a downside of the cat, you cant just "make more money" in every stage, and sometimes the extra damage is worth the 100 range difference, the cost is lower, the hp is better too.



      also we didnt say gao was bad. we said he was good, just not as good. its evolved form starts becoming less and less useful as you get to the harder stages because effective vs all when its only like 14k DPS at level 50 isnt all too great. you really want to bring a better attacker.



      also yes baby gao has more damage, but the thing is it cost more, and has a longer recharge. thats the main thing that makes jizo so good. his really low recharge. otherwise something like drama cats would easily replace him. i would rather

      3.3k almost twice as fast than almost double the damage thats almost twice as slow. I dont know what you see in baby gao that no one else seems to see that makes him this comparable to kasa jizo but whatever it is tell me.

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      Okay, so since you apparently have no concept of an average generalist, lemme lay it out for you... Zeus has 5.4k dps to every type, beating gao by 200 against white and losing by over 3k against everything else, gao has twice the kbs, gao has 50k more hp to everything but angel and white, they are equal against white and zeus has way more hp to angel, zeus does have 10 more range and 1200 less cost, but also has a 1s longer attack animation and 15s longer cooldown...

      Vars has around 4k dps less to everything except white, which he has 400 more against, vars has 40k less hp against traited and 10k more to white, gao has 1 more kb, vars has 10 less range, vars is 400 cheaper, and has 50% kb/slow to black...

      I didn't even add the fact that gao has wave immune and a 5% crit chance... Gao is still better than lil valk, sure she has 2k more dps to traited and 6k to white, costs 1800 less, and she has 1/3 of the cooldown, but gao has over 3x the hp to traited, almost double the hp to white, twice as many kbs, 125 more range, and doesn't suicide due to high speed and lack of backswing, on top of all that, he has a 1st form that's an amazing midranger... I love cherrypicking sooo much ;)....

      lil valk is supposed to be more of a generalist uber than a suicide unit, she has much more range than yuki/maglev/a baha/citc, and doesn't instantly attack again after a kb like a baha/yuki... She is actually closer to a short ranged generalist like keiji, except she has that amazing dps instead of his tankiness...

      The average dps for an uber is between 4-5k, so 9k is indeed amazing, you argued that jizo is better than gao because after being stacked he has more dps, wouldn't paris be much better then? she has 1.3k dps and a recharge of 2.53s, and jizo has 2.1k dps with a 4.2s recharge.. With these stats, after 32s, the paris stack would be dealing more damage than the jizo stack from 30 more range, of course this would be extremely expensive, but it's quite doable..

      I did this just to show that yea, fast cooldown midrangers are gonna have more dps than any uber when stacked, but that doesn't make backline ubers bad, we use them all the time, and they do a lot for us... It's almost like battle cats has a limit to how many units we can have on the field, being able to outrange many more things is important, and those 20s of having more dps actually makes a difference... 

      Did you argue that Jizo's tf is around as good as mightly lord gao?? Because if you think that 9k dps is bad, mega castle only has 6k, and less than 2k dps if his 3rd attack misses (which isn't uncommon due to the multihit), he does have 24k dps to angel and black (6k if he misses the third attack), more hp against whites, and 15 more range, but gao has 2 more kbs, double the speed, and a much shorter attack animation, as well as more dps, wave immune, and crit chance..

      zeus and vars arent average generalist, those are bad generalist. an average generalist is usually around like 10K DPS at level 30. in later levels you need above average. also heres another thing, paris dies, easily. its a lot harder to get back a stack of paris cats than it is kasa jizo.

      also we arent arguing jizo's TF against mighty lord gao. Jizo's TF isnt a generalist. hes more a slow but hard hitter thats tanky. We dont need to argue jizo's TF. this entire thing was mostly jizo's first form vs gao. yeah gao is better than his 3rd form except for against angels and blacks.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:
      that IS a downside of the cat, you cant just "make more money" in every stage, and sometimes the extra damage is worth the 100 range difference, the cost is lower, the hp is better too.


      also we didnt say gao was bad. we said he was good, just not as good. its evolved form starts becoming less and less useful as you get to the harder stages because effective vs all when its only like 14k DPS at level 50 isnt all too great. you really want to bring a better attacker.



      also yes baby gao has more damage, but the thing is it cost more, and has a longer recharge. thats the main thing that makes jizo so good. his really low recharge. otherwise something like drama cats would easily replace him. i would rather

      3.3k almost twice as fast than almost double the damage thats almost twice as slow. I dont know what you see in baby gao that no one else seems to see that makes him this comparable to kasa jizo but whatever it is tell me.

      Actually read what i said dude. I said that not being able to control your Cyborg cat spam based on your money is your own fault, not a con of Cyborg cats.

      There comes a point where he actually seems under rated because of of the sheer amount of people screaming how "over rated" he is.

      Alright let's compare Baby Gao to Kasa Jizo. For all intents and purposes. 1 Baby Gao= 2 Kasa Jizos.( Nearly 2x recharge time, damage and health for Gao).

      With nearly double recharge time you will have 2 Kasas on field for every Baby Gao. And with double damage and health you should see similler performance right? well first thing we see is the cost. Baby Gao costs 900 while 2 Kasas cost 1500. The other thing is stacking. Kasa is easier to stack, so it's easier to kill. Let's say you're against a zamelle. You send out 2 Kasa's Both Kasa's will get hit for 6k every hit(12k colletively) and both will die in 4 hits at level 50. Where's if you send out a Baby Gao, he'll only get hit for 6k total. And will die in 8 hits because of nearly double health.

      Kasa will never have more damage then Gao because the nearly half as long recharge time is offset by the double damage. So if you spam both you will always remain at the same level of damage. But Gao will always be twice as survivable as Kasa( even more if you count the KBs).

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    • Jizo has much more damage against angels and blacks, and the cooldown does matter for the near entirity of the endgame. You're rushed from the start mostly and since gao is strong against, realistibally he'll most likely die due to the magnification of the enemies. Is it really worth the 25 catseyes to be better than a lvl 30 jizo? Also zeus is to costly for a generalist, at least for me. Jizo is just the best spammable unit and generalist.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote:
      JadeRabbitJester wrote:
      Gao is just an uber that dazzles players collection. If I get an uber with such minute odds of acquiring, I expect good profit. But that dps is very disgusting, especially since he's an uber.
      what you said is true, i just didnt want to say it like that because most people usually just get angry and ignore all reasoning.

      They assume him being an exclusive means hes the best all around. He easily the weakest compared to the other two. Heck, even his epicfest counter is more practical.

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    • true

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    • Im pretty sure theres a good reason why no one talks about baby gao how they talk about kasa jizo. idk what it is but there must be a good reason. like for example zeus' stats seem pretty good, but when you actually use him its really not.

      what can be said with words or done on paper cant compare to the actual experience of using the two.

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    • Oh boi, now I remember why you couldn't even attempt to argue with flabber... I'm not arguing about who's the best midranger, I'm arguing about who's the 2nd best Uber (behind mitama ofc), so it's all of Gao's forms, vs. All of Jizo's.. If you would rather argue who is the best midranger, go ahead, but that won't change which Uber is 2nd best...

      So, you think Amaterasu and Armageddon are average generalists? And gao is a little above average? Then could you please provide a unit that's the best generalist? Since I don't know of any better than gao.. Li'l valk doesn't have the survivablity, Armageddon and ama are worse against white, and don't have his special abilities, shishi has less range/dps, especially when not strengthened.. Who's left?

      Gao is worse than D'Artanyan and shadow gao? Would you care to provide some evidence for that claim??

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    • Can we give a mention to Slapstick?

      He has about 33% more DPS than an equally leveled Jizo, from a safe 355 range. He has really just about the same health, and despite a longer cooldown his cost+cooldown ratio is smaller therefore he is slightly more cost efficient. He is also slower, thus staying behing the meatshields and not dying easily. However, Jizo can get a stack going quicker and a lower base cost gives him a high advantage, and this is arguably the most important trait.

      I guess jizo may preform slightly better in general, but against relics (main endgame threat) Jizo is no match.

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    • we were talking about as a generalist, and as a generalist, slapstick cats cant compare. a much slower recharge, and more cost. those are the things that make kasa jizo good.

      the things that make kasa jizo good is a COMBINATION of low cooldown, enough range to outrange a lot of enemies, his pretty good DPS and damage, low cost, and able to take a hit. and how easy it is to stack him.

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      Oh boi, now I remember why you couldn't even attempt to argue with flabber...

      I'm not arguing about who's the best midranger, I'm arguing about who's the 2nd best Uber (behind mitama ofc), so it's all of Gao's forms, vs. All of Jizo's.. If you would rather argue who is the best midranger, go ahead, but that won't change which Uber is 2nd best...

      So, you think Amaterasu and Armageddon are average generalists? And gao is a little above average? Then could you please provide a unit that's the best generalist? Since I don't know of any better than gao.. Li'l valk doesn't have the survivablity, Armageddon and ama are worse against white, and don't have his special abilities, shishi has less range/dps, especially when not strengthened.. Who's left?

      Gao is worse than D'Artanyan and shadow gao? Would you care to provide some evidence for that claim??

      you think gao is a super amazing generalist? plop him down into a loadout and youve pretty much won? no.

      an example of a unit that is a really good generalist thats MUCH better than gao, is mitama. another one being chronos.

      and li'l valkyrie, believe it or not is actually a bit better of a generalist than gao.

      for a armageddon is an above average generalist like gao too. li'l valk better of a generalist than gao. being how she has a really fast recharge time, really high DPS and enough standing range to use that high DPS without always being in high danger like awakened bahamut. The thing is, shes easy to stack, she can be reproduced 3x the speed gao can.

      not everything needs special abilities. an example being li'l valk and armageddon. the thing about armageddon is his damage is high already. li'l valkyrie is immune to everything. and also has high damage with quick attack speeds. not to mention she also has zombie killer. making her a better generalist because zombies appear quite a bit late game. and i know you are going to bring up gao's pathetic 5% crit chance. that crit chance isnt reliable enough to even be called an anti metal. is more of a get really lucky and you get a bit of extra damage thing.

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      Oh boi, now I remember why you couldn't even attempt to argue with flabber...

      I'm not arguing about who's the best midranger, I'm arguing about who's the 2nd best Uber (behind mitama ofc), so it's all of Gao's forms, vs. All of Jizo's.. If you would rather argue who is the best midranger, go ahead, but that won't change which Uber is 2nd best...

      So, you think Amaterasu and Armageddon are average generalists? And gao is a little above average? Then could you please provide a unit that's the best generalist? Since I don't know of any better than gao.. Li'l valk doesn't have the survivablity, Armageddon and ama are worse against white, and don't have his special abilities, shishi has less range/dps, especially when not strengthened.. Who's left?

      Gao is worse than D'Artanyan and shadow gao? Would you care to provide some evidence for that claim??

      since we've already went over why kasa jizo's first form surpasses that of gao's. now we move on to mighty lord gao vs kasa jizo.

      above ive already listed gao's stats. the big part about gao is yes he may have good health. yes he may have good range but him, like many ubers can die quickly with a simple mistake.

      a big part of this game is what cats can help you quickly recover from a mistake. example, lets say you are facing R ost. you're awakened bahamut timing goes wrong, or another big strong uber dies. well guess what? looks like its game over huh? no, kasa jizo can be quickly stacked up to match and surpass the DPS of the uber to may of had prior to it dying.



      thats the thing, when hes so spammable, even when things go wrong, you can still recover from that without it just being game over. another example, floor 30, you're anti shockwave cat dies, looks like there is no attacker to help fend off the enemies as you wait for yours to recharge, wrong! kasa jizo can he spawned in between attacks doing a hit at a time matching to DPS or damage of the uber that may of died, or even if he isnt, he can at least support you and give you some room to stand as you wait for them to come back. thats a big part we've left out of this argument, a good uber isnt just one that helps you push foward. a good uber can also help you survive when things start getting tough or a bunch of your cats die and the enemies progress towards your base. and kasa jizo, is that uber.

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    • That floor¬†30 bit has got to be one of the most desperate attempts at a use for Kasa i've ever seen lol. Kasa is a good cat, don't need to go grasping at straws there bud.

      Since when have we gone over their first forms lol. You just ignored what i posted.

      here it is again, incase you missed it.

      "Alright let's compare Baby Gao to Kasa Jizo. For all intents and purposes. 1 Baby Gao= 2 Kasa Jizos.( Nearly 2x recharge time, damage and health for Gao).

      With nearly double recharge time you will have 2 Kasas on field for every Baby Gao. And with double damage and health you should see similler performance right? well first thing we see is the cost. Baby Gao costs 900 while 2 Kasas cost 1500. The other thing is stacking. Kasa is easier to stack, so it's easier to kill. Let's say you're against a zamelle. You send out 2 Kasa's Both Kasa's will get hit for 6k every hit(12k colletively) and both will die in 4 hits at level 50. Where's if you send out a Baby Gao, he'll only get hit for 6k total. And will die in 8 hits because of nearly double health.

      Kasa will never have more damage then Gao because the nearly half as long recharge time is offset by the double damage. So if you spam both you will always remain at the same level of damage. But Gao will always be twice as survivable as Kasa( even more if you count the KBs)."

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    • So I just calculated it, and baby gao has 3990 dps to everything but white, at 7.53s cooldown, vs jizos 2083 dps to everything but angel and black, and 4.20s cooldown... At these stats, Gao stacking is actually better than jizo stacking, the Gao stack gains an average of 530 dps every second, while the jizo stack gains only 496, although jizo does of course win against white, black and angel... Jizo has 10 more range, and a 0.5s shorter attack animation, but gao has 9.5k more hp to everything but white, 2 more kbs, and a 55¬• cheaper cost per second (if both are bring deployed as much as possible)... So I'd say there is a very solid argument to be made for gao being the superior midranger...

      I consider mitama a support unit, though she definitely helps in general, so sure that's a freebie (#1 Uber is still #1)... Alright, so you believe that gao is a worse generalist than li'l valk and Armageddon, well, let's see.. Li'l valk has 2k more dps to traited, and 6k more to white, plus she has a little over 1/3rd of gaos cooldown, but gao has 2 more kbs, 30k more hp to white, 80k more hp to traited, 125 more range, and has backswing so he doesn't kill himself whenever the enemies get kbed.. She has zkill and status immune, whereas he just has the 5% crit, which actually isn't bad, since it boosts his dps against traited to an average of 9.9k (would be 9.3k without the crit), and kills most metal enemies in 1 shot with his high damage attacks, but I'll still give her a slight advantage in the special abilities section, since zkill is great, and immunity to debuffs has decent niche use... I don't want my generalist Uber suiciding all the time, and I really like that 125 extra range, so I still prefer gao.. Armageddon has 500 more dps than gao against traited (this is including the crit's dps buff), but ofc can't touch whites, and Armageddon does have 4 more kbs, but gao has 75k more hp to traited, 25k more hp to white, 20 more range, 3.2s shorter attack animation (this is a huge advantage), and a 30s shorter cooldown... In special abilities, Armageddon has zkill and not damaging whites, while gao has crit and wave immune, so gao this time has much better special abilities... Again, the challenger has more dps (except against white ofc), but that attack animation will make him miss a lot more. Plus, that 20 extra range is nice, and gao has slightly better survivablity, so he's still on top...

      Your next point is just explaining why midrangers are useful.. That's nice.. No lol jizo isn't any good on f30 in the way you're describing to use him, he could be used with octo for a peon wave, but in that situation, gao/slapstick would do at least as good as jizo (the midranger will only get 1-2 hits in, and can't stack before dying).. Also, you're starting to sound like a telemarketer, trying to give me a solution to a problem that I didn't know existed...

      By the way, all these stats are level 30, since I don't boost my Ubers, that's what Spica has set as the automatic, and those levels are more easily attainable...

      Well, since jizo and gao are pretty close as midrangers, and gao's 2nd form is the best generalist (except mitama ofc), whereas jizo's 2nd form isn't near the best generalist Uber... Can we agree that gao is better overall? Or do you have an argument for why gao isn't the best generalist/baby gao isn't even close to 1st form jizo?

      Final note, you said that D'Artanyan and shadow gao are better than regular gao, if you were serious, please back up your claims, if you don't actually believe that, just don't respond and I'll assume that you agree with me on this...

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    • Massive Damage > Strong against. Only few exceptions are cameraman and li'l flying, whom aren't ubers. Blacks and angels are easily the most autistic enemy types to deal with ie. Tackey, gabriel swarms, razorback and boraphim. Jizos first form is the best against them and both enemy types. Aphrodite and especially Amateratsu are great generalists and much more practical than gao. I'm not saying gao is terrible, its just a shame he doesn't have massive like S. Gao since that'd make him the best generalist by a longshot.

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    • If gao had massive he would have 20.8k dps to every type at level 30, he wouldn't just be the best generalist at that point, he'd be broken...

      So you argue that aphro and ama are better than gao? Let's see: Ama has 300 more dps than gao to traited, and 20s shorter cooldown, but gao has 15 more range, 2.6k more dps to white, 0.75s shorter attack animation, 15k more hp to white, and 65k more hp to traited.. In special abilities, Gao has wave immune and 5% crit, while Amaterasu has nothing... Yep, Amaterasu is closer to Armageddon, and definitely inferior to gao..

      Aphrodite is more of a backline sniper than a generalist, but I'll still compare them ig.. Aphro has 130 more range, and 10s shorter cooldown, but gao has 7k more dps to traited (except alien, she has 2k more to them), and 2k more dps to white, 20k more hp to white, 75k more hp to traited, and a 2.8s shorter attack animation... In special abilities, aphro has LD from 450-850, this helps her against backliners, and makes her stackable on stages like CoB, but also gives her a 450 range blindspot, so if enemies push too hard, she can't do anything.. Gao has wave immune and that 5% crit, so he's easily superior in this category... These two Ubers aren't really in the same category, but gao has so much more dps and survivability, he still stands well above her...

      Oh also, the strong vs. massive thing, I agree with you most if the time on that, but ik there are some people that don't, since strong improves the units survivablity and damage at the same time, making them much more all-rounded...

      It's getting annoying looking up all the stats for y'all, maybe next time you tell me a unit is better, could you actually look on Spica and give evidence for your claims? That'd be great thanks...

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    • Lufalan is better than gao. He has 19k dps at level 30 and has 250 more range. 19k is about double what gao has. His crit chance is actually decent so he is also good against metal enemies. His range definitely makes up for the fact that he only has one Knockback. Single target isn‚Äôt a huge problem if you have things to clear out peons.

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    • Bobsaysbob wrote: Lufalan is better than gao. He has 19k dps at level 30 and has 250 more range. 19k is about double what gao has. His crit chance is actually decent so he is also good against metal enemies. His range definitely makes up for the fact that he only has one Knockback. Single target isn‚Äôt a huge problem if you have things to clear out peons.

      >single target. Goodluck hitting anything but that doge that just came hurtling in. Lufa has 19k dps and single target. Gao has 9.8k dps area attack. Depending on the number of enemies on screen Gao will have far more effective dps then lufa.(hitting 3 enemies=28k effective dps) Even the lower crit is mitigated by the fact that he can crit multiple metals at the same time.

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    • LemonCakeDude wrote:
      So I just calculated it, and baby gao has 3990 dps to everything but white, at 7.53s cooldown, vs jizos 2083 dps to everything but angel and black, and 4.20s cooldown... At these stats, Gao stacking is actually better than jizo stacking, the Gao stack gains an average of 530 dps every second, while the jizo stack gains only 496, although jizo does of course win against white, black and angel...

      Jizo has 10 more range, and a 0.5s shorter attack animation, but gao has 9.5k more hp to everything but white, 2 more kbs, and a 55¥ cheaper cost per second (if both are bring deployed as much as possible)... So I'd say there is a very solid argument to be made for gao being the superior midranger...

      I consider mitama a support unit, though she definitely helps in general, so sure that's a freebie (#1 Uber is still #1)... Alright, so you believe that gao is a worse generalist than li'l valk and Armageddon, well, let's see.. Li'l valk has 2k more dps to traited, and 6k more to white, plus she has a little over 1/3rd of gaos cooldown, but gao has 2 more kbs, 30k more hp to white, 80k more hp to traited, 125 more range, and has backswing so he doesn't kill himself whenever the enemies get kbed.. She has zkill and status immune, whereas he just has the 5% crit, which actually isn't bad, since it boosts his dps against traited to an average of 9.9k (would be 9.3k without the crit), and kills most metal enemies in 1 shot with his high damage attacks, but I'll still give her a slight advantage in the special abilities section, since zkill is great, and immunity to debuffs has decent niche use... I don't want my generalist Uber suiciding all the time, and I really like that 125 extra range, so I still prefer gao.. Armageddon has 500 more dps than gao against traited (this is including the crit's dps buff), but ofc can't touch whites, and Armageddon does have 4 more kbs, but gao has 75k more hp to traited, 25k more hp to white, 20 more range, 3.2s shorter attack animation (this is a huge advantage), and a 30s shorter cooldown... In special abilities, Armageddon has zkill and not damaging whites, while gao has crit and wave immune, so gao this time has much better special abilities... Again, the challenger has more dps (except against white ofc), but that attack animation will make him miss a lot more. Plus, that 20 extra range is nice, and gao has slightly better survivablity, so he's still on top...

      Your next point is just explaining why midrangers are useful.. That's nice.. No lol jizo isn't any good on f30 in the way you're describing to use him, he could be used with octo for a peon wave, but in that situation, gao/slapstick would do at least as good as jizo (the midranger will only get 1-2 hits in, and can't stack before dying).. Also, you're starting to sound like a telemarketer, trying to give me a solution to a problem that I didn't know existed...

      By the way, all these stats are level 30, since I don't boost my Ubers, that's what Spica has set as the automatic, and those levels are more easily attainable...

      Well, since jizo and gao are pretty close as midrangers, and gao's 2nd form is the best generalist (except mitama ofc), whereas jizo's 2nd form isn't near the best generalist Uber... Can we agree that gao is better overall? Or do you have an argument for why gao isn't the best generalist/baby gao isn't even close to 1st form jizo?

      Final note, you said that D'Artanyan and shadow gao are better than regular gao, if you were serious, please back up your claims, if you don't actually believe that, just don't respond and I'll assume that you agree with me on this...

      I NEVER said shadow gao and D'artanyan were better. not once, someone else did. Lets get that out of the way now,

      yes kasa jizo has been used in floor 30 strats, just because you do a quick youtube search and dont find some doesnt make him not viable, its about being creative.

      another thing is stacking wise- jizo is better. its not only about what can survive better either. being able to quickly get a stack of  kasa jizos make a huge difference, that recharge difference adds up. you can get 10 kasa jizo's in about 40 seconds, while 10 gao's would be around 70, also gao does have higher stats yes but how reliable is he compared to kasa jizo? unlike a lot of enemy traits black and angel show up a lot, and when they do they are a big threat most of the times. thats why having something like massive damage against black and angels is a lot better then something like massive damage vs red or floating.

      its not about the amount of things something has better, its about what those things are.li'l valkyrie can come back a lot faster, so what if gao has a me're 5% crit chance? thats not reliable enough to even consider him being a proper anti-metal.

      lil valkyrie outclass gao against 3 things. zombies(zombie killer)Traitless, and relics(immune to curse, not that she has anything that can be cursed anyways(thats also another thing armageddon has over gao) black and angels too because of her rapid attacks, she also deals with clusters better

      gao only actually outclasses against metal, and thats only 5% of the time. or times when she gets outranged. but other than that li'l valkyrie is a better choice. not to mention when you are able to get her to survive, she can stack which is actually really op. example usually against just about any shockwave enemy, or a tanky and low ranged enemy like old horn. the arguement of li'l valkyrie vs gao is like awakened bahamut vs crazed bahamut but closer in terms of usefulness.

      im not saying gao is bad, hes good, but he is waayy too overrated. people think just because hes a limited in a pool where  you can get any non limited uber that hes the best cat.

      you may not boost your ubers, but i do, and a big difference in their usefulness really shows once you do.



      i dont get why you keep going after jizo's other forms, jizo's first form is the one known to be a generalist, and if you're only argument is jizo's first form only is a generalist and both gao's forms are so hes a better generalist then we shall part ways.



      now along with armageddon vs gao. the knockbacks to health really matters on the damage an enemy does, enemies with low damage but quick attack are more deadly towards gao, but ones with slower attack but high damage are more deadly do armageddon, it pretty much balaces out.

      yes armageddon cant touch traitless, but gao is a bad choice for zombies. so that leaves the score at 1-1 for their negatives

      now against other traits. armageddon has more DPS, and does huge damage per hit which in most cases is better than weaker hits but faster. also gao only attacks 2 seconds faster

      not all traits should just be considered "another trait" ones like zombie enemies are known for burrowing past and getting through your lineup. ones like black enemies or angels are known for pushing foward really fast, floating is known for being tanky. ect... as i explained earlier. they are pretty even in terms.

      now for what each outclasses the other at.

      armageddon outclasses gao against zombies, and relics(gao only does 1.5x instead of 1.8x) and a tiny bit against the other traits

      gao outclasses against traitless, and a tiny bit against metals.

      these two is pretty one is better in some situations and one is better in others

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    • If you can‚Äôt kill the stinking doge then that‚Äôs on you. There are many things that can kill a doge before it gets in the way of lufalan‚Äôs attack. In many stages there is 1 main threat or maybe 2. Generally an area attacker won‚Äôt hit 3 enemies at once unless it is a long distance unit. For an area attack to hit multiple units then the enemies either have the same range or they are pushing forward. For me either my meatshields get totally destroyed and an attacker such as gao would get completely murdered or my meat shields can hold the enemy back and a high dps unit would help kill the boss faster. Also even if there are tough units in the way then lufalan will help by killing them 1 by 1. Also keep in mind I suck at this game and this is completely just my opinion and I don‚Äôt have either of these cats.

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    • Oh yea, that sgao and dart thing was JadeRabbit not you, I wonder if he'd care to to back up his claims...

      I stated how jizo could be used in f30 right after I said that he isn't useful in the way you were describing (being used like mlion/Fishman)..

      I already said this, but you ignored it/didn't see it, A BABY GAO STACK WILL GAIN DPS Faster THAN A JIZO Stack (and start with more dps), Gao is a better midranger than jizo for reds, floating, alien, relics, and zombies, while jizo only has the advantage in blacks, angels, and whites, baby gao has much better survivablity and better cost-dps, whereas jizo has 10 more range..

      Yea, I suppose blacks show up quite a bit, especially since xp stages exist, angels aren't particularly common, and ramen+juliet+a decent dps can deal with almost any angels in the game (winged pigge needs more ms and damage, clionel is different ofc, and cala has that multihit super high damage stuff).. Reds are a big part of earlygame, and there are others throughout the game (hackey/prof a/capy being the big lategame ones), but there are a lot of good anti red units (witch, icat, bath, duelist. Roe and maximum are alright), so ig you could argue that massive to red is less useful than massive to black (this really isn't related to gao vs. Jizo so idk why you'd bother)...

      5% isn't reliable enough for him to be anti metal? Space has a 4% chance pre-tf, 8% after tf, catasaur has 4% pre-tf 7% after, Ballet has an 8% crit chance... All of these are 2-3% higher than gao, so not much, and they do attack faster, but gao has wayyy more base damage, he's probably better than lufalan to metals, gao crits less often, but hits multiple enemies at once and has amazing survivablity...

      Li'l valk has zkill, so she can zkill zombies, that doesn't necessarily make her better than gao for them, she has awful survivablity, and that's a very important Stat against zombies since they burrow and will either hit her, or burrow past her and stop your ms so the frontline enemies can move forward and hit her..

      Li'l valk is better for relics? Her immune to curse does nothing.. She doesn't outrange any relic bosses except BunBun and m.ost (ties with super town mayor)... With her bad survivablity, she won't be good for lowkeysuper town mayor/Loris (she could be alright for Loris if she could get inside the LD), though she's pretty good for m.ost and one horn... Gao is pretty good for a lot of UL stages, though Loris and lowkey still outrange him, he's good for all the different colors that support the relics, and has enough survivablity to deal with lowkey/loris hitting him, though his not having curse immune is definitely a downside, he's still solid for relics...

      So li'l valk is better for blacks and angels Cuz she attacks faster? She doesn't even have 1s less TBA.. (this is the part where you flipped your viewpoint for Armageddon, the faster attacks vs. Bigger attacks thing) Gao definitely outclasses her for a lot more than just metals, and comparing them to Bahamut forms is quite a bit off, think of this as Amaterasu vs Tropical Kalisa, but higher tier units...

      Nobody thinks gao is good just because he's a fest Uber, that's a strawman (woo a fallacy), we think he's good because he is, and I've been explaining to you why...

      Yea the boost thing was so you know that these stats are accurate, and I gave you the reason why I use level 30 stats instead of 50... Ofc level 50 Ubers are way better, but I like the game to be challenging...

      I'm going over jizo's other forms because 2nd form gao isn't very similar to 1st form jizo (one bring the 2nd best midranger, the other being the best generalist..), we could just have an argument about who's the best midranger in the game, but I'm still arguing about who's the 2nd best Uber...

      Now onto Armageddon, yea their survivablities are pretty close, I think that 75k hp is a little better than 4 kbs, but they are close..

      No, Gao isn't a bad choice for zombies, and your claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence..

      Why are higher damage but less often attacks better than less damaging, more often attacks? That's the opposite of the position you had when arguing li'l valk vs. Gao.. Pick one, and back it up with reasons..

      So, Armageddon is better than gao for zombies, well, he does have zkill and more kbs, which are great, although the shorter range and longer attack animation of Armageddon are definite disadvantages, I'm gonna say Armageddon is still better for zombies..

      For relics, Gao does have lowered dps, and their survivablity is around equal, the 20 range is quite important since relics push so hard, and gao's wayyy shorter attack animation is important... So, gao is actually a bit better for relics...

      Gao destroys Armageddon against wave enemies, whites, and metals, that much should be obvious...

      For aliens, angels, reds, floatings, and blacks, Gao has 500 less dps, 20 more range, a 3.2s shorter attack animation, 30s shorter cooldown, and an advantage in survivablity (all these types are on average pretty heavy hitters, Armageddon is the closest in survivablity against blacks and floatings ig..)... So, gao has a more prominent victory against these types than against relics... Armageddon won against zombie while gao won every other type, with relic being almost even, and white, metal, and waves being a blowout for gao... (yea waves aren't a type, but they are a niche that gao is great for while Armageddon isn't..)

      I'm getting bored of you bringing up Ubers as candidates for being a better generalist than gao, could we refocus on gao vs. Jizo, or switch topics and argue about who's the best midranger?

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    • Next, for lufalan vs. Gao, Lufalan actually has a little over 15k dps (15.2 to be exact), but that does rise to 18.2k dps if you include the crits in the equation, gao has 9.2k dps to traited if you don't include the crits, and 9.9k if you do.. Yep, Lufalan has 250 more range..

      So, Stat comparison: lufalan has a little over 8k more dps to traited, and 13k more to white (calculated with crits), and lufalan has 250 more range, but gao has a 2.25s shorter attack animation, 45k more hp to white, 95k more hp to traited, 3 more kbs, and a 3 minute shorter cooldown... In special abilities, Gao has wave immune and area attack, while lufalan has a 15% higher crit chance and single target...

      You may think single target doesn't mean much, but imagine a stage like f29, then realize that most stages in the game have a lot of peons, and the inability to hit all of them at once makes his dps far less impressive..

      Looking at those stats, Lufalan is a worse generalist Uber than Armageddon or Amaterasu, definitely not better than gao..

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    • Although you got to admit that in emptier stages lufalan is an absolute beast

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    • Well, yea... If there's only one enemy to hit, and they have high hp, Lufalan is great...

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    • Lufalan is better when the stage is has little peons in the way of the boss by far. other than that gao armageddon and amaterasu are better generalist.

      lufalan is pretty much a much better but situational generalist.

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    • tbh the argument of jizo vs gao has gotten almost nowhere its pretty clear we arent changing points, most people agree jizo is better than gao, you seem to be a rock lodged in the mud that isnt gonna move so there isnt really a point in arguing which is better anymore. if no one is gonna change their opinion

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    • Can we all agree that first form lugas are the best spam dps cats

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    • A situational generalist, oh the irony...

      So, you're unable to refute my points and don't want to admit that I'm correct, so instead you claim that the argument is going nowhere, and that I refuse to consider your opinions, oh JOY.. I am considering your opinions, then I'm proving them to be incorrect...

      In my experience (talking to actually intelligent endgame players on discord/reddit), almost everybody agrees that gao is better than jizo.. Not that it matters either way, since how many people believe something doesn't make it more or less true...

      Personally, I am fully willing to change my opinion, you just have to come up with a convincing argument, and it appears that you are the "rock lodged in the mud," not me..

      I already suggested that we could argue who is the best midranger, or I suppose we could just end the thread, with the conclusion that jizo is the 3rd best Uber...

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    • I lurk on Reddit and have had discord for two-three months, I can tell you only about 4-5% agree gao is better than jizo. Don‚Äôt make up statements with hopes nobody will find out.

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    • Baby Gao literally has better dps against everything except angel, black and white cats lol. He has better dps before and after stacking. And with an infinitely better evolved form compared to Kasas, Gao is the better generalist.

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    • Jizo's massive damage > Gao's strong against. Like I stated earlier, if Gao had massive damage instead, he'd be the best generalist.

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    • Again, he has a better dps against everything except white, angel and blacks. We are calculating their actual dps. "Strong against" and "massive damage" doesn't matter cause we are calculating their damage WITH those abilities. And Gao has the better dps. If only because Kasas massive damage doesnt extend to anything except blacks and angels, while gaos "strong against" includes every trait. Giving Gao a damage multiplier over Kasa for most traits.

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    • You lurk, and have had discord for 3 months, so you obviously know the opinions of *intelligent players* more than me...

      Which discord servers are you on? Gao>Jizo isn't an unpopular opinion at all, I could ask lucas/flabber or somebody else if you really don't believe me...

      You say that massive is far better than strong, but why is it better? You have to provide reasons...

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    • No i just got bored, this is boring, every day come back to argue this same thing.

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    • tbh. you're wrong, so many things prove you otherwise but i really dont have the patience to keep going back in forth. you can hold on to your favorite cat but he isnt as good as you think he is.

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    • Let me clear something up.

      As spam DPS, Jizo is definitely the best in the category. But spam DPS and generalist are different things. Jizo is not a midranged generalist, only his castle form is. And shishi, rekon, ama, gao, etc. are easily better midranged generalists than Castle. But Jizo’s first form use as a spam DPS is where he really shines.

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    • idk why people keep referring to his 2nd and 3rd forms when its his first form that hes known for.

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    • I'm so wrong that you are completely unable to counter my arguments, wow I'm pretty impressive.. BTW, my favorite cat is Himeyuri Ninetails...

      As a spam dps (aka midranger), jizo or gao is the best...

      I define generalists as the ubers that usually have 350-600ish range, and aren't very stackable like midrangers are (jizo/paris/drama/legs), but have big stats.. So Amaterasu, Gao, shishi, vars, etc...

      We keep referring to his other forms because he has other forms.. And we were arguing jizo vs. Gao...

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    • You can continue this with another person, but this has been rather repetitive to me.

      also using yourself as credit, or using your own definition weakens your argument

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    • On the topic of generalists, I honestly vote Shishilan as the best generalist. For starters, he has a solid 9k DPS when strengthened (just hit him with a peon at the start). Not only is this just about what Ama has and a little more than Gao, this applies ACROSS THE BOARD. No specific trait target = true generalist. His health isn‚Äôt scrawny at all, and with his 100 kbs (+1 survive) he is next to immortal. He also has wave immunity, arguably the most important immunity. His cooldown is good too - not the infinite cooldowns of most lugas, but just around that of Catman. All for the average uber price of 4500.

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    • I made a thread called cat compares. its for comparing any two cats. i made that because there are more cats i want to compare than just kasa jizo to others.

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    • Shishilan has too long of an attack animation and too many kbs. This means anything that outranges Shishilan will attack and knock him back before he can attack. This also means Shishilan will be useless as he will never be able to attack and just die. As someone who uses him alot, this happens way too often. Gao has better dps against traited, better health, range, way shorter attack animation and a useful first form. Only thing Shishilan has is a better dps vs whites.

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    • Ka$aJ1zo wrote: tbh. you're wrong, so many things prove you otherwise but i really dont have the patience to keep going back in forth. you can hold on to your favorite cat but he isnt as good as you think he is.

      Baby Gao literally has the better dps. Please just tell me how you would reply to this part of the argument.

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    • 63.140.100.210 wrote:
      Say hello too something that is not useless
      Ultimate Kasa Jizo
      Health Attack Power Attack Range Time between attacks Movement Speed Knockback Attack Animation
      999,999,999,999,999,999,999 HP 999,999,999,999,999,999 Atk 25 (Area Attack) 1 10 Miles per Hour (Nothing too do with the game) 5 times 30f
      Special Ability Attribute
      Can Stop all Cats within the range(100%) Cat

      mate that is the wrong to. too should be to

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    • Catpersonorsomething wrote:

      63.140.100.210 wrote:
      Say hello too something that is not useless
      Ultimate Kasa Jizo
      Health Attack Power Attack Range Time between attacks Movement Speed Knockback Attack Animation
      999,999,999,999,999,999,999 HP 999,999,999,999,999,999 Atk 25 (Area Attack) 1 10 Miles per Hour (Nothing too do with the game) 5 times 30f
      Special Ability Attribute
      Can Stop all Cats within the range(100%) Cat

      mate that is the wrong to. too should be to

      -Replies to one of the first comments ever in this thread to point out a grammar mistake

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    • Grammar is important.

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    • A Normal Zoge wrote:

      Catpersonorsomething wrote:

      63.140.100.210 wrote:
      Say hello too something that is not useless
      Ultimate Kasa Jizo
      Health Attack Power Attack Range Time between attacks Movement Speed Knockback Attack Animation
      999,999,999,999,999,999,999 HP 999,999,999,999,999,999 Atk 25 (Area Attack) 1 10 Miles per Hour (Nothing too do with the game) 5 times 30f
      Special Ability Attribute
      Can Stop all Cats within the range(100%) Cat
      mate that is the wrong to. too should be to

      -Replies to one of the first comments ever in this thread to point out a grammar mistake


      Hush my friend that makes sense, and we don't need sense in this world. lmao i am a grammar teacher now i guess

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    • what an autistic debate, we don't care about who is better, they're both good period

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    • What an autistic person you must be to try and continue a dead thread. It's already been finished. You've added nothing to it and as a result just notified everyone.